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Beds Are Burning (atichon)
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On June 11, 2011
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by tck tck tck
October 1, 2009
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The reference link given is not working anymore. But, according to tcktcktck.org, even 60+ artists were involved. Unfortunately, they only list a few, but they and other sources point out that this is a version with lyrics re-written by Midnight Oil themselves.
Does this help?
I agree with Bastien's suggestion. That is the normal way that we handle such releases.
I'd to that, too.
Also, as said above, the lyrics were changed, so it's not simply a cover version but a first (and only?) recording of an adaptation.
I don't know... are the changes significant? Are there additional credits?
Briefly, I'm on my way out. In the first place, I was just referring to the (now seemingly defunct) tcktcktck page.
To compare the lyrics (he refrain is the same but the rest has changed, though not drastically):
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/midnightoil/bedsareburning.html (original)
https://genius.com/Various-artists-beds-are-burning-tck-tck-tck-lyrics (tcktcktck)
And here's another link about the release: http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/10/60-artists-revamp-beds-are-burning-for-tc…
I hope this helps.
PS: ISWC list "Beds Are Burning", T-060.049.337-5, and ""Beds Are Burning (Dry River Red), T-061.068.797-2.
Yes, based on these elements I guess we have a case to make it an adaptation.
We can amend according to the new charity single guidelines?
I'd be happy to add the changed work as an adaptation, but: The rewriters of the lyrics are the same as the original ones... 
And, as there doesn't seem to have been a real project name: how to name the one-off gathering?
With most related pages these days being defunct, http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/10/60-artists-revamp-beds-are-burning-for-tc… probably offers the best info.
We're working on it at the same time, I just made it a version of Beds Are Burning (Dry River Bed) .
Looks so much better 
Only small comment - for the artist relations, I would put the year (2009) on the performer page, so users can easily see that it was a one-off collaboration. No need to put it on the group page of course.
As an example have a look at any of the individual Band Aid performers.
I only offered to do the work
Instead of a new error report:
- Why would the adaptation lyricists be set as [unidentified]? Both ISWC and GEMA have all three original authors registered for this new work, too (but ignoring the database mismatches is, of course, right as there are no additional authors involved).
- The quote in the work comment is the beginning of the spoken word intro by Kofi Annan. The actual new lyrics of the song start with "Down at the river bed, The earth is cracked and dry instead. Farms are failing, cities baking. Steam in 45 degrees" and, except for the two hooklines, no line is the same as the original.
I would put the year (2009) on the performer page, so users can easily see that it was a one-off collaboration. No need to put it on the group page of course.
Excellent suggestion, done.
Both ISWC and GEMA have all three original authors registered for this new work,
No they don't. GEMA has no subauthors listed at all.
except for the two hooklines, no line is the same as the original.
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Both ISWC and GEMA have all three original authors registered for this new work,
> No they don't. GEMA has no subauthors listed at all.
ISWC hasn't, either. As the authors of the original work and of the new lyrics are identical, there are simply no 'subauthors' (a GEMA but mostly fitting term). Also: ISWC, GEMA and others have differing work nos. for the original and the new versions.
Consequently, there is no reason for us to list the lyricists for Beds Are Burning (Dry River Bed) as [unidentified] - they are well known.
How can they be well-known when they are unlisted?
I don't see any 'well-known' anywhere o the related pages
More importantly: the adaptation credit for Beds Are Burning (Dry River Bed) is still [unidentified]...
Sorry, I related your 'well known' to something else, not to mine directly above. My bad.
However, it seems I finally found the crucial point in this matter:
We were both following our automatically added ISWC and GEMA work nos. for the Beds Are Burning original but they are in fact the ones for the Beds Are Burning (Dry River Bed) adaptation.
The right work numbers for Beds Are Burning are actually ISWC: T-060.049.337-5 and GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 2115504-001.
I have added respective attachments to both work pages to prove this and if you check them out, you will also see that the original was written by Jim Moginie, Peter Garrett, Rob Hirst PLUS Martin Rotsey and Peter Gifford, whilst Beds Are Burning (Dry River Bed) is only registered in the names of the first three.
Last updated by camembert electrique on 2017-10-16 22:19:07 UTC - Show original message
altered by the original songwriting Midnight Oil members themselves
Are you starting an edit war with me??
I clearly disagree on this matter, the discussion is ongoing, and still you go on and change it the way you see it. I hope this is a misunderstanding.
Last updated by Bastien on 2017-10-17 09:00:56 UTC - Show original message
Oh, I am definitely a Man of Peace
Please remember that I initially only joined this thread to supply some info and links I hoped would help. I couldn't forsee it would develp into such a dialogue.
You will surely agree that my comments delivered facts I found. In the last one I was even happy to both have found out the likely reason why we talked from two different angles and to provide hard-fact data solving the matter.
So, there must be a misunderstanding.
I don't think I changed anything. All I actively did was attaching ISWC and GEMA registrations to the work pages (first for you to see and then to serve as back-ups). There is surely nothing wrong with that.
Another misunderstanding.
Just a question to avoid one more: What was your reason to reopen the case and assigning it to me?
The other way around: Does assigning this case to me mean you'd like me to process it?
I don't think I changed anything. All I actively did was attaching ISWC and GEMA registrations to the work pages (first for you to see and then to serve as back-ups).
Uhm? And how about the change that you see in the attachment?
Oops! I had forgotten about completing that comment following up ISWC's and GEMA's registrations of three original band members (= three of the originally five songwriters) for the "(Dry River Bed)" adaptation.
Let me process this case according to the facts given and the misunderstandings will surely be out of the way.
The problem is we seem to disagree on the facts.
Let's try to sort out the core facts together:
"Beds Are Burning", according to ISWC, GEMA and others, was written by Jim Moginie, Peter Garrett, Rob Hirst, Martin Rotsey and Peter Gifford. The work numbers are ISWC: T-060.049.337-5 and GEMA-Werk.-Nr: 2115504-001. On Diesel and Dust it is credited to the band, at the time of release consisting of the above five.
"Beds Are Burning (Dry River Bed)", according to the same sources, was only wrtten by Jim Moginie, Peter Garrett, Rob Hirst. The work nos. are ISWC T-061.068.797-2 and GEMA 10990199-001.
Currently, and this took a while to spot, we for the original "Beds Are Burning" list a) just the three writers of "...(Dry River Red)" instead of all five and b) the work nos. for "...(Dry River Red)" instead of the applicable ones.
There is one thing I still don't understand. May be you can explain it to me:
What's the problem with naming Jim Moginie, Peter Garrett, Rob Hirst as authors of "...(Dry River Red)"?
PS: Hope you don't mind the precisising of the comment on the work page.
Because, for all we know, these can be "transitive" credits from the root work.
I have a vague imagination of what 'transitive' means in mathematics, but I don't know what that means in terms of this matter
Meaning it's the credits from the root work that are transposed to the adaptation.
Yes, 3/5... But - hopefully last question - the authors are officially registered and we know them, too. Why stating they are [unidentified]?
Because, for all we know, these can be credits from the root work. Take them away and there are no credits left.
This is actually a case that is to quite an extend similar to Dampflockführer. Have a close look and you'll know .
"Because, for all we know, these can be credits from the root work."
We have different work numbers from ISWC and GEMA provng who was in charge for which version. If there were no new registrations for the later version, this wouldn't be the case. We also have official statements that the lyrics were altered by band members, etc.
"Take them away and there are no credits left."
If taking away their names from translations done by the originals songwriters themselves, there would be no respective credits left, either .
We also have official statements that the lyrics were altered by band members
Do we?
camembert electrique sorry I pressed the wrong button and deleted your post. Luckily a copy was in the email notification, so I'm reposting it here:
We do have the differing PRO work numbers proving there are two different works and links provided in the beginning also quoted so (something like "specifically rewritten for the Tck Tck Tck awareness campaign".
and links provided in the beginning also quoted so (something like "specifically rewritten for the Tck Tck Tck awareness campaign"
And think you meant http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/10/60-artists-revamp-beds-are-burning-for-tc… but I couldn't find anything regarding the lyrics in this article.
think you meant http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/10/60-artists-revamp-beds-are-burning-for-tc… but I couldn't find anything regarding the lyrics in this article.
That article starts with "A rewritten version of the Midnight Oil hit "Beds are Burning"...". Seven years ago, the now defunct tcktcktck.org site offered more detailed info, including the three rewriting members of Midnight Oil etc.
As already pointed out, we have the ISWC and GEMA versions specific work numbers. Those matching registrations name the three rewriting auhors,so they are certified. Also, as the rewritten "Red River" one came 23 years later, there should be no doubt that that one is an adaptation of Beds Are Burning.
Anyway, we should avoid getting into a hassle like a couple of years ago, so I'll be happy to leave it to you how to handle and finally put an end to this matter.
Seven years ago, the now defunct tcktcktck.org site offered more detailed info, including the three rewriting members of Midnight Oil etc.
It's still available via archive.org , see https://web.archive.org/web/20151002075903/http://tcktcktck.org/2009/10/beds-bur…
Seven years ago, the now defunct tcktcktck.org site offered more detailed info, including the three rewriting members of Midnight Oil etc.
Convincing to me. Adapting the entry accordingly.
Glad to see this matter settled, the ticket was 12 years old 😅