Booker T. Jones (Denis)

Booker T & The MG's were the Stax label's house band and Booker T. released many record(ing)s after leaving the band, but I don't think the band released anything without him. If they did, separating the two artists would have to be considered, though.

Yes, but isn't this the same as e.g. Steve Miller (Band) where we have seperate pages?

Just brainstorming... Why separating Booker T. and The MG's if the band never released anything on their own?

Besides, I'd actually go for merging Steve Miller and the band. The group was even more his own backing band than the MG's were Booker T.'s.

I can't help feeling that "Booker T Jones" and "Booker T & The MG's" are two different entities, you have the person and you have the band...no?

Discogs has split pages.

The '&' makes us think so... But with The MG's never having released anything on their own, they should be considered his band - at least as long as we don't change the rules to splitting all backing acts from the main artists and don't treat, f. ex., all eleven Duke Ellington band entries including his name as aliases for him.

Basically this matter is scratching at the long time valid general and specific alias definitions, policy and guidelines.

I agree with camembert electrique's point of view.

Anyway, after 18 months since the last post any progress on merging Steve Miller with the Steve Miller Band ?!

Is this issue now resolved?!

No and probably never will be. See also the more recent discussion about Lawrence Welk:

https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/73717

I can feel Erik & Erik, anyway, the database should be consistent about this, see the above examples. I have also found the same issue with all those choirs we have, ex. Johnny Mann Singers & Les Humphries Singers. The latter has the choir leader seperately, the former not... try Anita Kerr, Ray Charles [1] versus Cliff Adams Singers, Bob King [2] featuring The Bob King Singers, etc

Last updated by walt on 2017-08-14 12:04:36 UTC - Show original message

As for Les Humphries (Singers), the situation seems to be the reversed Booker T. one - Booker T. recorded without the MGs and therefore needs his own entry. Humphries has no releases of his own in the database, so the Singers etc. should be aliases of his (unless we find solo records).

I've seen it discussed here and there, for example the second page of the Moe editor thread, but not seen a dedicated and thorough discussion. Presumably this was discussed previously. Perhaps someone with some corporate memory could point us in the direction of the original discussion. Or is it time for a discussion on the forum?

I'm quite sure there are some (not only the one walt refers to) matching threads in the editors forum, already... But I surely agree, matters like this should be discussed 'over there'.

Erik

Are you still planning to raise the issue on the editors' boards?

Sebastian

Sebastian,

the "...should be discussed 'over there'" was a general statement - IMHO, programatic matters should always be discussed internally (first).

So, as I don't think it would be right to just assign this matter to myself and go ahead accordingly, see our Guidelines section...

For what it's worth, back in 1973 The MG's recorded a very nice album without Jones; Carson Whitsett handled keyboard duties.

https://www.discogs.com/The-MGs-The-MGs/release/1110483

Thanks a lot, Leif. Seems nobody (including myself) was aware of that album. In that respect, The MG's would have to be listed in their own right.

Besides, three tracks on the LP were not penned by the band members and two of those not published by their own publishing arms:

"One af a Kind (Love Affair)", which is a Spinners cover and

"Sugarcane" (resp. "Sugar Cane"). A brief research revealed no other release involving composer David Madden than his very own "Biography" (2010? compilation?). The MG's in 1973 also released it on 7".

Possibly also relevant: Did or didn't The MG's appearances on Atlantic Crossing [re-release] include Booker T.?

I just submitted the original and the cover of One Sided (Love Affair). It's the only song on the MG's 1973 album that was a cover. We will need a separate artist page for the MG's as Booker T. Jones wasn't affiliated at that time. If/when I become an editor I can take a stab at this and may shoot one of you an IM to look it over to make sure I did it adequately.

Thx Mark.

Also as to your Atlantic Crossing question. I need to research this further. In the Wiki article it says 3/4 of Booker T. & the MG's were part of the backing band on the album, but at the bottom when they list the credits they list: Cropper, Jones, Dunn & Jackson (the 4 members of the band since 1965 when Dunn replaced Steinberg on bass). Jackson was murdered in Oct 1975 but wiki says the sessions were recorded April-June so I'm not sure where the 3/4 of the band backed Stewart notion came from (so one or the other is incorrect), but I think it's safe to say that Booker T. was part of the band then, which is really what you were wanting to know. The Wiki page on the MG's 1973 album said they had reconciled in 1975.

Walt, I think the initial question can finally be answered with a 'yes'. Or rather a page for the MG's?

Last updated by camembert electrique on 2020-09-07 13:14:13 UTC - Show original message

Okay, they finally have their own page !!

Booker T. and The MG's

If someone wants to add The MG's album, please go ahead.

I was about to do so, but it actually appears strange to add an album by The MG's (without Booker T) to an artist page for Booker T and The MG's... Hmm...

Last updated by camembert electrique on 2020-09-23 16:51:58 UTC - Show original message

That's just one album... it would be more strange to see them as a joint performance throughout the database.