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Los Panchos

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maryhelen

On June 16, 2017

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Los Panchos

Mexico

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The name of the original group is Trio Los Panchos. After a legal battle, came Los Panchos. The original, Trio Los Panchos was never "El" Trio Los Panchos. That from exists only in English publication that take the Spanish writings of the article and apply it to the group's name. In Spanish (and French, probably other languages) there always has to be an article-(el, la, los ete; le, la, les ) in front of a noun. But it is not and never was part of the band's name. It seems to appear o nly in the Edye Gorme record written by a speaker of English.


Check out their early recordings (no "el")


Last, I grew up with Trio Los Panchos- no El; also (grammatically) it sounds strange/funny to call them, as a name El Trio Los Panchos-- an article with a numerical descriptive.


http://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/artist/trio-los-panchos


https://www.discogs.com/Trio-Los-Panchos-Boleros-Selectos/release/1988595 (and others on discogs)

History

Comment by CarlDennis
2017-06-16 11:57:11 UTC

Mary Helen, I forward your error report to Froko, the editor, who entered El Trio into the database. You will hear from him.

Thom

 
Comment by Frokor
2017-06-20 16:12:20 UTC

The only reason the name has been entered like that is because I've been told to strictly follow name on the record label, but I have no strong opinions on this matter.

Frode

 
Comment by maryhelen
submitter
2017-06-20 16:37:53 UTC

The records labels have Trio Los Panchos, there is no not "El"


https://www.discogs.com/artist/294209-Trio-Los-Panchos?filter_anv=0&type=Release…

 
Comment by Frokor
2017-06-20 17:17:59 UTC
 
Comment by maryhelen
submitter
2017-06-20 18:48:59 UTC

Look at the album cover-- there is no El before Los Panchos. it's a major error. El La Lo, and los means "ther" so in effect, that would read as, " the trio the panchos. " There are staff who are speakers of Fr. Well it's the same in French-- where there is a le, there would not also be a les as articles in a name.

 
Comment by Frokor
2017-06-20 20:27:18 UTC

I know it's not there on the album cover. I was just making an observation and explained why it was entered like that to begin with. It has been decided that the record label goes before the album cover and everything else, unless it is an obvious spelling error. In fact, if I had not included the "El" I wouldn't be surprised if someone else posted me an error message saying that I should follow the name on the label. Grammatical errors, which by your explanation this is, should probably be a good reason to change the name. I have absolutely nothing against changing it, but as the new guy here, I don't want to make that decision.

Frode

 
Comment by maryhelen
submitter
2017-06-20 22:47:11 UTC

Where is that label? Stop making this personal, " ...Grammatical errors, which by your explanation this is, .." either consult an expert, research it or do what you want it is perpetuating that error. The band doe not call themselves El trio los panchos (hthis is the trio the panchos)any more that Led Zeppelin calls themselves The Led Zeppelin. Do whatever you want, SHS want to perpetuate error, go ahead. Your personalizing it because you don't know the language is unacceptable. I'm out of it.

Last updated by maryhelen on 2017-06-20 22:48:58 UTC - Show original message

 
Comment by Frokor
2017-06-21 08:47:12 UTC

Just to clarify, the label is in the attachments on the right side. Maybe this is not visible for non-editors? It was added from here: https://www.discogs.com/release/8573697-Los-Favoritos-de-Todo-el-Mundo/images

And to clarify further, I agree with you. I was just trying to explain why the "El" got there in the first place and why I don't want to make the decision to remove it. I don't know Spanish grammar, and you explained why this was wrong. Nothing personal in that. I believe you and sincerly thank you for pointing it out (no irony!).

 
Comment by maryhelen
submitter
2017-06-21 14:23:04 UTC

Well well-- (I sort of chuckled when seeing these--ironic indeed!) I Looking at both the back cover and the label, without going into language specifics, this is part of the problem. The front and back cover read "The" Trio Los Panchos, which then is changed/back translated to "El" Trio Los Panchos. Note that the label also reads," "Printed in USA." Every instance where I have seen (on labels and covers) "El" with the name IS a US label -- (yes they exist, but they are errors). Given the time when these were made/printed, no native sp speakers on staff or available.

And here is my final word(s) --really this time--the trio's webpage(s) all have their proper name (no el) and if you were to find a list of all trios (there were many) none would have "el" in their name.

 
Comment by Frokor
2017-06-21 20:57:30 UTC

The article is now removed from the artist name Smile

Frode

 
Change by CarlDennis
2017-06-21 21:50:45 UTC
Status: open processed