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Cupids Chokehold by Gym Class Heroes feat. Patrick Stump
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On October 5, 2019
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It's my understanding that Travis "Travie" McCoy wrote all of the other lyrics to this song.
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I attached the Genius.com link did you not open it and read it? Patrick Stump of Fall Out Boy sings all the parts of it lifted from Breakfast in America (which is why Hodgson/Davies are credited). The song is introduced with lines from it and it's a prominent part of the song. But the majority of the song isn't that. It's a story that Travie McCoy wrote and sang about girlfriend problems (which is why they lifted the lines from Breakfast in America). All those lyrics weren't written by the 2 Supertramp guys. I see on GEMA that 100% of the credit on song is just to those 2 guys so maybe they lost a lawsuit and had to give them full royalties, but McCoy 100% wrote the majority of the song lyrics and it should be Commented on at a bare minimum.
I had attached an entire Wiki article on the song. They most certainly also show that McCoy was co-writer. Those lyrics didn't just magically appear. I would have thought the person who knew the song in the first place and added it to the site would have questioned why the 2 Supertramp guys were the only one's credited on this song. It also samples another song by Pebbles and that songwriter went uncredited.
When the song first came out in 2004 the CD insert said it sampled Breakfast in America but no songwriting credits were listed on it. It was released as a single in 2006 and on it they credited the songwriting to "Gym Class Heroes". So my guess is they got sued and ended up ceding 100% of the royalties to the 2 Supertramp guys. But that doesn't mean that the person who wrote 75% of the lyrics in the song shouldn't be reflected someone on our site. I don't get how we would want to ignore that. Anyone who actually listens to the song will see it's not a straight cover of Breakfast in America.
I attached the Genius.com link did you not open it and read it?
I did have a look at the link, it just didn't mention anything about songwriters.
By the way, why did you attribute this report to yourself and closed it?
but McCoy 100% wrote the majority of the song lyrics
Indeed, WIkipedia lists McCoy as songwriter, but I can't figure out what their source is.
I don't know want to tell you here. It's plain as day that the 2 Supertramp guys didn't write the vast majority of the lyrics of the song. Anyone who listens to both can hear that. The 1996 single credited "Gym Class Heroes" (which essentially was Travis "Travie" McCoy). I don't know if they were sued and had to give 100% of the credits to the 2 Supertramp guys or what. If we have to go by what the PROS say for the credits, I would at least reference his writing the rest of the lyrics.
Frankly I wish I had never brought this up, but it bugged me the way we had it. But I don't know what the "right" answer is here either.
Last updated by mduval32323 on 2019-11-08 17:07:06 UTC - Show original message
Genius.com did have the authors on it's page. They are always on the right side of the song page near the bottom. They actually credited McCoy & 1 of the Supertramp guys which is odd (because it samples lyrics & music from Breakfast in America)
https://genius.com/Gym-class-heroes-cupids-chokehold-breakfast-in-america-lyrics
It's plain as day that the 2 Supertramp guys didn't write the vast majority of the lyrics of the song. Anyone who listens to both can hear that.
But read my words again, I'm not disputing that...
I'm only asking for a decent source for the identification of the adaptors. That's all really.
Last updated by Bastien on 2019-11-10 08:17:25 UTC - Show original message
Genius.com did have the authors on it's page. They are always on the right side of the song page near the bottom.
Oh, I hadn't spotted that, thanks for pointing out.
Written By Roger Hodgson & Travie McCoy
I wonder how trustworthy this is & what their source is. The fact that Rick Davies is missing is not a good sign.
Musicbrainz also has Hodgson & McCoy:
writer:
Roger Hodgson
Travie McCoy
https://musicbrainz.org/work/178b8301-f8dc-4ebf-a6b9-f6e19d715b77
Musicmatch has it as follows:
Lyrics
Cupid's Chokehold
S. Hollander, R. Hodgson, R.Davies, D-Katz, Count Dee's Dancesport
https://www.musixmatch.com/lyrics/S-Hollander-R-Hodgson-R-Davies-D-Katz-Count-De…
Not sure what to think of that.
Mediatly only credits McCoy
Now it gets interesting!
Sam Hollander himself describes his input as the producer, not as a writer:
Gym Class Heroes "Cupid's Chokehold" (Decaydance/Fueled By Ramen) (producer)
Sent Travis McCoy a tweet:
That's funny on the Tweet.
On the credits, all I would do is go w/ the PROS and then in the Comments (I guess) say that Travis McCoy wrote the majority of the lyrics.
But I guess it's hard to make a stmt. w/o discussing why he's not credited in the PROs too and we are just speculating. But anyone will realize that Supertramp guys didn't write all those new lyrics (which were the majority of the lines in the song).
What maybe you can explain better to me is this - say BMI. Is someone listed there because they wrote a Work or if they are getting the Royalties on the Work? I assume it's not royalties because those get sold all the time. But that was going to be my rationale for why McCoy wasn't listed as a songwriter, maybe he had to cede 100% of the credits (but really we are talking royalties) on the song to Supertramp for using their work (either upfront intially or because he was sued and forced to).
I don't know how we do the credits on all these Hip-Hop songs. Sometimes the samples are credited, sometimes they aren't. On this song Genius even said it also sampled a Pebbles song but she wasn't credited.
I think it's incorrect for sure not to credit both Supertramp guys as the music & lyrics were sampled from Breakfast in America and they always co-credited each other. I guess years later Hodgson said he wrote 100% of it. FYI , Supertramp is one of my all time favs so I know those guys very well.
What maybe you can explain better to me is this - say BMI. Is someone listed there because they wrote a Work or if they are getting the Royalties on the Work?
A composer/author is listed in an PRO database because he/she is registered as having written the work. By consequence:
- He/she may not necessarily receive royalties
- He/she may not necessarily be the composer/author or vice versa.
But that was going to be my rationale for why McCoy wasn't listed as a songwriter, maybe he had to cede 100% of the credits (but really we are talking royalties) on the song to Supertramp for using their work (either upfront intially or because he was sued and forced to).
Pure speculation, but it might very well be that if McCoy was so desperate in using the Supertramp sample he agreed not to be registered as author. It's a negotiation.
On the credits, all I would do is go w/ the PROS and then in the Comments (I guess) say that Travis McCoy wrote the majority of the lyrics.
Check out my update (comments & notes) of Cupid's Chokehold .
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