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Für immer by Claudia Jung
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On January 11, 2022
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by Claudia Jung
April 12, 1999
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As shown on the CD, EMI is the label and EMI Electrola the company.
Not sure why this was reassigned to me. Setting this as "need info" would have probably been the better option.
As shown on the CD, EMI is the label and EMI Electrola the company.
I don't see it. I don't know how you draw this conclusion.
Why is this not treated as Winterträume ?
Let's look here in addition. That shows the relations.
As for Winterträume, don't ask me. I never touched that one and Walt first changed it to EMI, then back. Basically, it has the structure, though.
I don't understand how this adds anything to discussion.
1. The EMI Electrola logo is clearly displayed on Für immer
2. Discogs also attributes this release to the label EMI Electrola.
3. The other releases by Claudia Jung : Claudia Jung , Sehnsucht and Winterträume are all attributed to EMI Electrola for the same reason.
To get out of doubtful cases, it is best to apply some general principle... for example: if there are two logos, what to do? It is also useful to compare with similar cases. In this case, we have two logos well visible on the surface of the CD: EMI and EMI Electrola.
Now, we apply that principle that says: the label corresponds to the logo that represents the smallest entity: the EMI Electrola logo acts here as a record label.
We can also take into account parallel cases:
Visible logos: EMI and Columbia ----> Columbia [EMI] label
Visible logos: EMI and Odeon ----> Odeon label
Last updated by dany on 2022-04-05 11:36:36 UTC - Show original message
The Für immer EAN code block shows EMI as the label, so it does add to the discussion. Furthermore, ℗ & © are by EMI Electrola GmbH (= the EMI company's German branch), so in this case, that's actually the releasing company and not the label.
Claudia Jung , Winterträume and Sehnsucht all only show an EMI Electrola logo on their CD labels, but no EMI one. Für immer has both, which makes the difference to the other three.
Claudia Jung , Winterträume and Sehnsucht all only show an EMI Electrola logo on their CD labels, but no EMI one. Für immer has both, which makes the difference to the other three.
So on the first 3 releases EMI Electrola is the record label, but on the fourth by the very same artist it's a company? That doesn't sound like a credible hypothesis in my opinion.
On the contrary, to me it's an additional indication we should attribute Für immer to EMI Electrola.
Last attempt: Für immer shows LC 00542. That's the label code for EMI.
The other three have LC 0193, which is the one for (EMI) Electrola.
It can't get more official than that.
This is interesting. Let's compare:
- Logos: EMI, EMI Electrola
- Label code: LC 00542
- Company: EMI Electrola Gmbh
- Logos: EMI Electrola
- Label code: LC 0193
- Company: EMI Electrola Gmbh
This seems to indicate that the company EMI Electrola Gmbh released both on the labels EMI and EMI Electrola. We can deduce this from the 2nd and 3rd bullet, which are pretty objective.
The difficulty is understanding the role of the logos. Let's take Winterträume : What do both logos represent in your opinion and what is their relation?
Last updated by Bastien on 2022-05-25 15:03:25 UTC - Show original message
On Winterträume there is actually only the combined EMI Electrola logo
Für immer's CD label in additon shows the (modern) EMI logo
As dany very rightly pointed out elsewhere, there is always only one original releasing label.
Anyway, nothing overrides the label codes 
Ok.
Maybe we should rewrite the following then?
How about:
EMI Electrola is both a company and a releasing label. To be sure the logo represents the label, verify whether the label code matches LC 0193 and whether there are other logos on the release, like for example EMI.
Sounds like a very good solution!
I'd even say something like "Only releases with that LC code are really EMI Electrola ones".
Last updated by camembert electrique on 2022-08-06 21:26:41 UTC - Show original message
I'd even say something like "Only releases with that LC code are really EMI Electrola ones".
Knowing that we live an imperfect world, I'd rather not make it that stringent.
- "I'd even say something like "Only releases with that LC code are really EMI Electrola ones".
- Knowing that we live an imperfect world, I'd rather not make it that stringent.
The LC code is uniquely associated = the most precise, official and perfect definition criteria there is. Plus very easyly recognizable. I don't really see the problem...
Read your text again. It's should be fine like that.
Last updated by camembert electrique on 2022-08-09 16:57:23 UTC - Show original message