Adagio [Concierto de Aranjuez] by Regino Sainz de la Maza with the Orchestra Nacional de España conducted by Ataulfo Argenta

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There we can see the three singles.

That clipping is taken from a catalog that includes all records released up to December 31, 1948.

Last updated by dany on 2022-10-26 15:57:17 UTC - Show original message

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See this too:

Error report #30739

http://jopiepopie.blogspot.com/2012/08/concierto-de-aranjuez-pt-2-adagio.html

On December 11, 1940 the concerto received its first performance in Madrid, at the Teatro Español de Madrid conducted by Jesús Arámbarri, with the same soloist, de la Maza. But "Concierto de Aranjuez" was not recorded until 1947 or 1948 (the exact date is not clear). It is this premiere recording originally issued by Columbia on three 78s in Spain in the late 1940s that has been re-mastered for CD. (SEE PIC ABOVE)

Regino Sainz de la Maza plays the guitar with the Orchestra Nacional de España, conducted by Ataulfo Argenta.

Label: Columbia (3 RECORDS SET)

Catalogue number: RG 16066, RG 16067 and RG 16068

I have proof that those three singles were released in 1946.

Last updated by dany on 2022-10-26 16:16:48 UTC - Show original message

See this too:

Error report #30739

http://jopiepopie.blogspot.com/2012/08/concierto-de-aranjuez-pt-2-adagio.html

On December 11, 1940 the concerto received its first performance in Madrid, at the Teatro Español de Madrid conducted by Jesús Arámbarri, with the same soloist, de la Maza. But "Concierto de Aranjuez" was not recorded until 1947 or 1948 (the exact date is not clear). It is this premiere recording originally issued by Columbia on three 78s in Spain in the late 1940s that has been re-mastered for CD. (SEE PIC ABOVE)

Regino Sainz de la Maza plays the guitar with the Orchestra Nacional de España, conducted by Ataulfo Argenta.

Label: Columbia (3 RECORDS SET)

Catalogue number: RG 16066, RG 16067 and RG 16068

Visual of RG 16067: https://www.todocoleccion.net/discos-pizarra/disco-pizarra-concierto-aranjuez-jo…

I have proof that those three singles were released in 1946.

So what's that proof?

Dating releases in the field of 78 rpm records is a complex matter.

There are three basic tools:

• the matrices: they can take us directly to the year of the recording (not of the edition, necessarily). They usually appear on the discs themselves (never in the catalogs)
• Catalog numbers that progressively increase over time forming a series: they can let us know the year when the record was released... and with the added data of the matrices, we can know if it is a first release or a reissue
• The catalogs published by the record labels: include very useful information to place in time the different series of each label. There are two types of record catalogs:
• A general catalog includes all discs available up to a specific date. For example: December 31, 1948. This is very useful because it allows us to date the series accurately. But there is a problem: the general catalog includes records from previous years. To summarize: a general catalog allows us to date the last records of each series but does not serve to date the beginning of the series
• The supplements: they are special catalogs that tell us which discs of each series have been released in a short space of time. For example: Supplement nº 3 October-November 1946. These special catalogs are the most useful of them all. From each series we know which records came out during those two months of 1946

What do we know about the Columbia [ES] RG 16xxx series?

According to the catalogs in my possession, it is a series dedicated rather to classical music (serious), not to popular music and the first discs I have dated in 1940 (RG 16000 / 16011). The end of the series is dated in 1954 (RG 16218 / 16220).

Thanks to the general catalog of December 31, 1948, we know that the last record of 1948 was RG 16128.

We must remember our "problem disks": RG 16066 / 16068

Do we have previous catalogs available?

I don't own any catalog from 1947... but from 1946 I have two: one general catalog and a supplement.

• General catalogue including records released up to April 30, 1946 (Attachments): Includes: RG 16031 to RG 16050
• Supplement nº 3. October-November 1946 (Attachments): Includes only six discs in our series: from RG 16078 to RG 16083

The bottom line is: our 3 "problem" discs were released in 1946, between the months of May to September .... which is precisely the first line of this thread

Last updated by dany on 2022-12-08 21:17:49 UTC - Show original message

Este dato es una novedad....

aunque ya apareció en mi página Web como primicia mundial 😁

aunque ya apareció en mi página Web como primicia mundial 😁

LOL 😂

For my understanding, what are exactly those documents General catalogue and Supplement nº 3? Who published them and what is their title?

They are official catalogues of Spanish Columbia

My collection of Spanish Columbia catalogs (PDFs) including only 78 rpm records:

My 1946 catalogues of Spanish Columbia:

I'll send you the cover of the two catalogues

Taking dany 's catalogs into account, we can conclude:

Columbia RG 16067 -----> Adagio - Parte 1 / Adagio - Parte 2 was recorded in 1946.

Surely before October/November 1946, according to Columbia. Suplemento número 3 Octubre-Noviembre 1946

SEE: https://cdm21058.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/api/collection/discografic/id/910/do…

And the Adagio is the most covered part.

Conclusion Columbia RG 16067 was the first recording and release

So this release below has to be adjusted

JoJo greets

Last updated by jojo on 2024-06-27 07:13:45 UTC - Show original message