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Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2017-03-01 05:36:10 UTC

Ran across this single from an artist not yet on site. I can't do much with it, but it likely includes Finnish adaptions of:


https://www.discogs.com/Jukka-Kotialho-Begin-The-Beguine/release/1901720


Begin the Beguine


Woman




Just ran across another Finnish release. Again, can't do anything with it, but looks like it has some rare covers/adaptions:


https://www.discogs.com/Erkki-V%C3%A4lil%C3%A4-L%C3%A4mm%C3%B6ll%C3%A4/release/3…

Last edit: 2017-03-01 05:47:49 UTC by Tar Heel

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2017-03-01 06:40:18 UTC

Hi VV, how do you mean you "can't do much with it"? Why can't you submit it?

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2017-03-01 06:46:30 UTC

A) I can't find videos at all or acceptable for my level of confirmation for these.


B) I'm not making any additional submissions unless and until future site changes that lets me manage my work here to my satisfaction.



My process is to make posts like these when I run across something that I find of particular interest but I can't confirm to my level of confidence.

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2017-03-04 12:21:23 UTC

Okay... Someone really needs to nail down this (assuming) Finnish cover of Johnny Are You Queer?


https://www.discogs.com/Meiju-Suvas-Meiju/release/1038547




Here's another. I would have really liked to be able to confirm this apparent Finnish cover of Lucky Man with There's a Kind of Hush as an extra bonus, but can't really find much:


Artist on site: Pekka Tammilehto


https://www.discogs.com/Topi-Sorsakoski-Itse-Asiassa/release/6904748



You might as well look at this too, as it has some other interesting missing covers:


https://www.discogs.com/Topi-Sorsakoski-Yksin%C3%A4isyys-Osa-2/release/7242995

Last edit: 2017-03-05 21:00:49 UTC by Tar Heel

Frokor

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Frokor @ 2017-03-15 10:24:25 UTC

All the releases you mentioned above have Finnish titles for all the tracks and are almost certainly Finnish adaptions (or originals).


Frode

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2017-07-08 02:34:11 UTC

Doesn't look like anyone took an active interest in this. Thought I'd refresh once before it forever gets buried in subsequent threads.

camembert electrique

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camembert electrique @ 2017-07-09 04:55:13 UTC

Finnish is a language on its very own and, except for Estonian, not related to any language in this world. Although we have a remarkable share of Finnish versions, it is often very difficult to find official evidence for the translators of the works - and we can't add foreign language recordings unless the details of the translations/translators have been verified by at least two official sources (disocgs et al, being user generated, can only be complementing ones).

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Bastien @ 2017-07-09 05:53:51 UTC

Doesn't look like anyone took an active interest in this. Thought I'd refresh once before it forever gets buried in subsequent threads.

If you want it to be processed, it's a better idea to submit it through the regular form.

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baggish @ 2017-07-09 08:07:18 UTC

Doesn't look like anyone took an active interest in this. Thought I'd refresh once before it forever gets buried in subsequent threads.

If you want it to be processed, it's a better idea to submit it through the regular form.

Precisely.

Also these things quite take some time to research and get all the details right. I spent five days on the Jean S. KesämieS album including collateral issues, and there is still one collateral release I would like to enter.

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Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2017-07-09 13:03:51 UTC

Doesn't look like anyone took an active interest in this. Thought I'd refresh once before it forever gets buried in subsequent threads.

If you want it to be processed, it's a better idea to submit it through the regular form.


People are so funny, and I suppose the SHS editors and community are no different.


The examples above are not submission-worthy and will not be formally submitted by me, but rather leads to likely covers that I can't confirm or research to any decent quality level but (for whatever reason, usually rarity) I'd like to note somewhere on site. I have explored several options and suggested others for forwarding these leads, for a while settling on using the report error function (it being the fastest and most convenient). Management asked that I not use this method, a request that I have respected and not once asked to have reconsidered; however, (this is the funny part) Management has now asked or suggested multiple times that I reconsider my not formally submitting leads.


This thread was an early exploration of an option to note these leads somewhere on site, albeit a more time consuming and cumbersome method. While I didn't expect these leads to be processed, when there was no response from the community at all (e.g. "interesting, I'll give some a try)", I concluded that there is no reason to go through this effort.


As things stand, on extremely rare occasions I will PM a lead to an editor that I suspect may have an interest in researching. Other than those, I simply move on from the lead and quickly forget that I found it.

walt

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walt @ 2017-07-10 08:54:14 UTC

VV, all your given examples are perfectly fit to submit through the regular form. They have all the requested info right there on their respective discogs pages, a supporting video is fine, but not needed. If the finnish language is a problem, then copy-paste. If an album is too much for you, exclude one song from it, any editor will see there is more candy in the store.


Our community is not funny, rather stupid as we can't see what your problem is. Smile

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2017-07-10 09:49:15 UTC

VV, all your given examples are perfectly fit to submit through the regular form. They have all the requested info right there on their respective discogs pages, a supporting video is fine, but not needed. If the finnish language is a problem, then copy-paste. If an album is too much for you, exclude one song from it, any editor will see there is more candy in the store.


Our community is not funny, rather stupid as we can't see what your problem is. Smile


And an editor tries to get me to reconsider again.... I could easily respond by "what's the big deal about using the error button". Once again, the submission process is not an option for me and the error function is not an option for SHS.


I'll figure out which editors are open to PMs for these situations and which are not, and adjust accordingly. I saw some interesting leads earlier, but the managing editor for that artist was likely to ignore, so I just moved on.


No worries, these possible covers will likely never get to the point that they would of use to me, so there's no real loss on my end. My hope was that getting them noted on site, may cause me to revisit and check for the occasional longshot. Since the goal of SHS is to document all covers (in theory), regardless of interest level to myself or others, as a courtesy I was willing to exert reasonable efforts to pass along leads to rare covers, many of which will likely never be found again by a contributor (since I'm focused on rarity).


Anyway, I'll put you down as a no leads editor, which (of course) is a fair position and a matter of personal choice.

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CarlDennis @ 2017-07-10 14:40:39 UTC

And thus found an - up to now - undiscovered gem for SHS: the Finnish cover of Strawberry Fields Forever from 1967: Mansikkamaa .

Go there, listen and please stop bickering with each other: Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about

Thom

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CarlDennis @ 2017-09-24 07:14:40 UTC

And after my intervention the bickering stopped! Dutch diplomacy works after all. Who would have thought.....

Greetings from Nafplio, Greece, where the sun is shining........

Thom

Mihkel Murakas

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Mihkel Murakas @ 2017-12-11 22:59:04 UTC

There are in open access finnish music databases. Stuck on these, but unfortunately can't recall the Web address. But also notice, that there are all the artists under their real names and hard to find to foreigner. If you're interested in, i'll try to seek and find link.

CarlDennis

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CarlDennis @ 2017-12-12 04:11:32 UTC

There are in open access finnish music databases. Stuck on these, but unfortunately can't recall the Web address. But also notice, that there are all the artists under their real names and hard to find to foreigner. If you're interested in, i'll try to seek and find link.

Hello, Mikhel, the database we all use frequently is Suomen äänitearkisto (Database of The Finnish Institute of Recorded Sounds), which has open access and strangely uses real names like Ilkka Susimetsä, who happens to record as Frederik for example,.

You probably mean this database? Here is the link:http://www.aanitearkisto.fi/firs2/en/index.php

Keep posting and welcome on SHS.

CarlDennis

camembert electrique

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camembert electrique @ 2017-12-12 04:25:02 UTC

There are in open access finnish music databases. Stuck on these, but unfortunately can't recall the Web address. But also notice, that there are all the artists under their real names and hard to find to foreigner. If you're interested in, i'll try to seek and find link.

We will be happy to use those Finnish databases if you find them again, but maybe they are already included in https://secondhandsongs.com/wiki/Main/Bookmarks#composers?

Finding out Finnish artists' real names is mostly not a big problem, but translating Finnish titles is, at least if not listed with the sources known to us.

Mihkel Murakas

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Mihkel Murakas @ 2017-12-12 09:43:00 UTC

I belong the group searching the originals to Estonian covers, therefore have used these to identify (but also the swedish ones etc). Talking both, but not too much. Quite often had got the source composer such way and maybe finally origin. Agree, that Finnish has so different syntax that don't allow to translate songs content precise. Anyhow, the composers are correct. Example for such search engine (not the best) - http://www.fono.fi


Sure there is a lot of finnish music and covers, but not all (and much) indeed. Discogs is much worse place for this. Maybe this will help searching for these. We are in much worse situation due the incorrect authors and etc and alot of unidentified ones still.