Artists identified only in comments

Is there a way to incorporate a search function that will point out performers currently identified only in comments? For example, Ginnie Powell was the singer on many Boyd Raeburn releases, and is identified as such in comments at the entries for those releases. But if you search for "Ginnie Powell," these do not appear. Similarly, Bea Wain and Larry Clinton, Liza Morrow and Benny Goodman, Anita O'Day and Gene Krupa. (I suspect this may be common for singers with "big bands," especially of the swing era.)

Perhaps Management should consider indexing as normal, but add [Uncredited] to distinguish from an official co-credit? I think I've seen this on an ad hoc basis.

This treatment is especially appropriate when the same performance is officially co-credited on later releases (e.g. a "greatest hits" album or single)….

Some (many) (most?) of these are actually credited, if by that we mean "listed on the label."

Quote from Jeff Chamberlain

Some (many) (most?) of these are actually credited, if by that we mean "listed on the label."

From my experience, the editors have different thresholds for triggering official credit, and issue that came up during a recent relatively heated exchange I had with one of those editors.

Nevertheless, if you think an entry is missing an official co-credit, the remedy would be an error report, no?

You can use the detailed search ---> performance ---> search settings ---> search criteria ---> comments.

As for "secondary artists", as we call them, we used to mention them in the comments, but then we decided to consider them as joint performers. The database has a little bit of this and a little bit of that... We also had a very ambitious project of introducing a "secondary artist" field, but the idea was apparently abandoned.

Personally, I don't think "Benny Goodman and His Orchestra - Vocal refrain by Liza Morrow" is a joint performance, but...

Thank you, Q. That will help someone who knows the code or is curious enough to figure it out. It won't, however, help on more general searching. Nor does it enable a "full" list of performances a musician has been identified with; unless there's another trick I've not discovered, I can get a list of performances on which a musician is identified in comments, or in credits, but not both. What I'd like is a way to enter a name ("Ginnie Powell") and get every entry she is identified at.

Last edit: 2018-07-19 13:04:00 UTC by JeffC

Quote from Quentin

We also had a very ambitious project of introducing a "secondary artist" field, but the idea was apparently abandoned.

We're all keeping our fingers crossed for Trac Ticket 1670

Credits questions are not quite identical to my inquiry. If I query the data base for "Thanks for the Boogie Ride" I'd like to have Anita O'Day revealed. (As a matter of music history, it's "her song" after all.) And, similarly, I'd like to be able to query Anita O'Day and have "Boogie Ride" revealed, irrespective of how or whether she is "credited" on the pertinent release. As the data base is currently configured, O'Day appears only in a comment to the entry for Gene Krupa, "Boogie Ride" does not appear at all under O'Day, and a query for "Anita O'Day Boogie Ride" generates a "no results" report.

Yes, completely agree, Jeff. SHS falls short in this "catagory' where secondary performers are involved... and we're inconsistent throughout. Hopefully, we'll find a solution one day. I did find this by typing "ginnie" in the comment section, see PG's (Quentin) post above.

1 Body and Soul Boyd Raeburn and His Orchestra

Vocal by Ginnie Powell.

2 How High the Moon Boyd Raeburn and His Orchestra

Vocal by Ginnie Powell.

3 The Lady Is a Tramp Boyd Raeburn and His Orchestra

Vocal by Ginnie Powell.

4 St. Louis Blues Boyd Raeburn and His Orchestra

Vocal by Ginnie Powell.

5 Trouble Is a Man Boyd Raeburn and His Orchestra

Vocal by Ginnie Powell.

Last edit: 2018-07-22 15:14:05 UTC by walt

Nary a nibble on my [Uncredited] suggestion? Seems like such a stone would hit a number of birds:

a) It would address JC's concerns, as the performance would return during a typical search.

b) It doesn't require any major site revisions, assuming this can be handled using the existing alias function.

c) Mitigates against duplicate submissions in cases when additional artists are not officially credited on the original release but are on subsequent re-releases.