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Ok. Feel free to create a ticket.
Okay - I had added the suggestion to the original ticket yesterday. But I created a new ticket now #2949.
2. I'd consider displaying more than just one performance in each category. There's enough space on the page.I'd like to keep just one, as I see each header as a future entry to a new page giving the full ranking of the tag in question.
How frequently will the performances under each highlights heading change?
Probably, those not in the first place focussing on facts know that I do - and so expect me to disagree with subjective highlighting. They are right.
Last edit: 2019-03-06 03:30:09 UTC by camembert electrique
Here's another peculiar "recent" one: the 1957 original of Dedicated to the One I Love followed by 41 newer releases.
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Last edit: 2019-03-06 03:14:13 UTC by JeffC
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In addition to https://secondhandsongs.com/message/190804 : I think I added each of the 51 versions of Den första gång, and I didn't highlight any of them.
Nevertheless, Den første gang jeg så dig - 'popular'(?, by which criteria?) - and Den första gång jag såg dig - recent(? Nearly all versions were added after that one!) - are shown as highlights. So, I reckon those two were as randomly created as usual (before).
However, (automatically) showing most recently added versions is actually a very good idea (as long as true...) and would be a great feature - Ticket #2950
A website devoted to music with people discussing about music... let's see how it goes!
I do like the idea of highlighting covers, but what we don't need in the future is endless & pointless discussions we have already in this thread.
Unless, I don't get the whole concept, I would like very much that SHS deletes all subjective tags like "more famous than original" & "definitive" for this reason.
I still say we should open a SHS room on plug-dj, we everyone can play songs and chat in real time!
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Unless, I don't get the whole concept, I would like very much that SHS deletes all subjective tags like "more famous than original" & "definitive" for this reason.
While I agree with "more famous", as explained earlier "definitive" shouldn't be that subjective. Below is a post I made in a related thread (no reactions as usual):
Well, if I was pressed to provide my overall thoughts on the current tags and to further my preference to be few, concise and materially informative:
https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/74760
1) a cappella seems an obvious tag, as this is a niche genre. One could argue it's the opposite but equivalent to instrumental;
2) acoustic is really a genre and doesn't add much. Why not "metal", bluegrass" and reggae" as well? I would delete this one to narrow the tag options;
3) definitive was my suggestion so I'm not objective. My goal was to flag those performances that put either the work or a particular arrangement "on the map". Most likely a "definitive" performance is always also a hit song but not vice versa (so I wouldn't merge them). I see this as a rarely used but materially informative tag;
4) demo seems unnecessary and not materially informative. Once a demo recording is officially released, is it still really a demo? I would delete this tag and add such info in the public comments to keep the list of tags few in number;
5) editor's pick seems obviously subjective yet harmless enough. I would suggest that this tag be mutually exclusive to tags definitive, hit song and more famous than original, as this tag should be limited to lessor know covers that the editors find particularly good or otherwise noteworthy;
6) eurovision is a non-American thing, so I'm not sure how materially informative this is. If this tag is limited to only original works performed at Eurovision, perhaps the comments is the better place for this info to keep the number of tags few. If this tag includes covers as well, then I would suggest combining with TV talent show;
7) hit song seems an obvious tag, with allowances for some subjectivity;
8) live seems on obvious tag, and one for which I pushed with the assumption that the tags would be listed on the "Versions" tab. Absent that visualization, this info might as well be in the comments;
9) mash-up confuses me as to need. Why is this any different than a medley? Wouldn't all the mashed works be indicated on the performance's page? I would delete this one as unnecessary;
10) more famous than original seems unnecessary. When would this tag be used over definite, hit song or even editor's pick? I would delete;
11) scat / vocalese should be limited by the system to performances coded as an instrumental. I would suggest that the tag be scat/vocalese/minimal lyrics to also cover those mostly instrumentals with only a few vocals from the original;
12) TV talent show seems not materially informative to me. Why would such a live recording be differentiated from a (e.g.) VH1 Unplugged recording? Either delete this tag and move info to the comments or merge with eurovision as recommended above;
Additional observations:
Shouldn't eurovision be capitalized?
I continue to suggest heavily rearranged as a tag. Some covers have arrangements making the work either almost or entirely unrecognizable (at least to my ears). Flagging such performance is clear value added in my book.
C. E., did you mean "most recently added," or "most recent?" The former is covered by "latest submissions" (a/k/a "recently added covers"), yes?
Latest submissions/recently added covers show all recent additions to the database/by editor(s) respectively. As far as I know, 'regular users' can't sort work related additions by date of entry, though (can they?).
So, my proposal goes for: on works and versions pages to the public showing the most recenty added version as a fixed one of the two or three (so far randomly) highlighted
Does this answer your question?.
I can sort "recent additions" by date of entry, using the "added on" toggle at "newly added covers." That's not quite the same as your proposal to list the "most recently added" entries for a particular song/work at the site of that work/song.
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I do like the idea of highlighting covers, but what we don't need in the future is endless & pointless discussions we have already in this thread.
Unless, I don't get the whole concept, I would like very much that SHS deletes all subjective tags like "more famous than original" & "definitive" for this reason.
Core answer: I absolutely agree to the above. Tags like 'live', 'a-capella', etc. are objective and case related information, though, and in that respect justified. Most suggested tags seem to be aiming at saving editors from case related explainations and commenting, though.
As for some of VV's points:
'Acoustic' is an objective evaluation, but mostly self-explainatory from the additions (and even more so if editors add brief comments to releases they enter) - not needed.
'Definitive': see Walt above.
'Demo': remains a demo(nstrational) recording, even if officially released much later - a matter for the comment section.
'Editor's (or rather editors'?) pick: This would likely fit better as one of the three highlighted versions on work/versions pages.
'Eurovision': not relevant to the rest of the world (non-American is not the point...). Also, if 'Eurovision' was a tag, we'd have to tag all other contests (and their many derivates), too. Makes no sense -> to be commented case-wise. This even more goes for 'talent show' - 98+ % of contestants remain less than one-hit wonders, anyway, so irrelevant and a typical case of personal preferences.
'Hit song': in the 1st place, a song is a work (so the term is far from exact). Marking successful versions thereof as hits would need to be backed by evidence for territory- or worldwide chart positions, verified sales figures et al., which doesn't work for click-tagging - again: comment.
'Mash-up': too case related and matter of individual interpretation, except for obviously Beatallica et al., so no need for tagging.
'Scat/Vocalese': once again to be commented for intrumentals including vocals-as-instrument' appearances.
I can sort "recent additions" by date of entry, using the "added on" toggle at "newly added covers." That's not quite the same as your proposal to list the "most recently added" entries for a particular song/work at the site of that work/song.
Being a verified contributor (or whatever the term is), you can... but I'd like any user to see which was the very last added version of a song at first sight. Know what I mean?
Perhaps a better way to reach more consensus is to look at tags vs. comments from a different angle and group all existing/proposed tags as helpful, interesting or explanatory. A helpful tag allows a user to visually filter out/in performances. Interesting is like trivia associated with a performance/work. Explanatory is designed to fill in grey areas to support the entry's current indexing.
Tags should be limited to helpful. What viable tags would I or another user that I can reasonably imagine like to see in a dedicated column on the Versions tab? Live, definitive, editor's pick, hit.
Trivia related tags (e.g. demo, eurovision) should be moved to the comments.
Explanatory comments are actually quite important in my view, as I see them as a way to avoid error reports on close calls. For instance if I hear some minimal lyrics in something coded as an instrumental, I may file a report unless those vocals are already noted in the comments.
Okay - I had added the suggestion to the original ticket yesterday.
That ticket was closed so probability close 0 it was ever going to be processed
How frequently will the performances under each highlights heading change?
Depends on the algorithm of the header in question.