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camembert electrique

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camembert electrique @ 2020-01-01 03:25:27 UTC

I believe there should only be one cover pick per editor for each original song. I don't think one editor should pick 6 cover songs for one original song.

If an editor has more than one cover pick for that song, doesn't that just cheapen your other picks of that song and make them meaningless? The one pick makes it more personal and special.

This looks quite reasonable. I'm not saying each editor should only have one pick per root work, but limiting to one per tag category appears to be feasible.

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2020-01-01 10:06:41 UTC

I believe there should only be one cover pick per editor for each original song. I don't think one editor should pick 6 cover songs for one original song.


DB... You are feeding my Cassandra complex. I made this recommendation months ago. Went nowhere....

dudek

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dudek @ 2020-01-01 11:43:35 UTC

Wow, it took some time to read the whole discussion. Smile

1) I like the introduction text that sebcat suggests very much!

2) I also vote for keeping the "today in history" section (mentioned by Clee, mduval and Jeff) alive!

3) I agree with VV's opinion "Sounds to me we may be prematurely rushing tagged performances to the forefront."

dudek

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dudek @ 2020-01-01 11:46:40 UTC

I'm not saying each editor should only have one pick per root work, but limiting to one per tag category appears to be feasible.


DB means just the Editor's Pick category (imho). And I agree with that.

walt

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walt @ 2020-01-02 14:36:21 UTC

Since you are highlighting "Editor's Cover Song Pick" on the "Homepage"

https://secondhandsongs.com/search/performance?tag=editor%27s%20pick

I was wondering are there any rules or limitations for this tag?


I believe there should only be one cover pick per editor for each original song. I don't think one editor should pick 6 cover songs for one original song.

If an editor has more than one cover pick for that song , doesn't that just cheapen your other picks of that song and make them meaningless? The one pick makes it more personal and special.


Anyway, I made a trac ticket #3776 to change it to one pick. I know my 6 points will go to it, if it ever comes up for the vote.


I agree to this, I had made a similar remark to Seb about him highlighting entire albums. To me, this is diluting the original idea: pointing out an exceptional performance.

walt

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walt @ 2020-01-02 14:39:49 UTC

Agree with Erik CE's friend: the homepage makes SHS look like one of those pointless sites whose only purpose seems to be to regurgitate youtube videos.

- as Seb says, there is no mention that SHS is a database of cover songs full of carefully researched information

- the song titles and artist names are in a bigger font than the headings (Hit song, Editor's pick, etc), and the headings don't really mean anything as there's no context (see previous point)

- some of the Editors' Picks seem to be willfully obscure, unknown songs and unknown artists. They should be intriguing, to draw people in (e.g. wow, I never knew artist A did a version of song B)

- the homepage is a wall of videos. Why are we promoting videos when our USP is the data/research?

(Detailed points: why are "Hit Song" and "Editor's Cover Song Pick" singular but the others e.g. "Obscure Originals" and "Unusual Cover Songs" plural? And what is the difference between an "Unusual Cover Song" and an "Unrecognizable Cover Song"?)


All makes big sense to me! thanks jon (you're my favourite colleague!) Happy

Canary

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Canary @ 2020-01-02 14:47:47 UTC

Read.

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walt

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walt @ 2020-01-05 09:28:24 UTC

A suggestion of years ago and recently, I would like a kind of R.I.P. on the homepage highlighting recently deceased artists. The idea had some fans like Dash and even Bast I remember...

CarlDennis

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CarlDennis @ 2020-01-05 11:35:01 UTC

A suggestion of years ago and recently, I would like a kind of R.I.P. on the homepage highlighting recently deceased artists. The idea had some fans like Dash and even Bast I remember...

Walt, I am one of your fans in this matter: I have always admired how you are so quick in making sure SHS is up to date as far as dead artists are concerned.. And some of them certainly deserve an obituary...............

walt

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walt @ 2020-01-05 13:57:02 UTC

Walt, I am one of your fans in this matter: I have always admired how you are so quick in making sure SHS is up to date as far as dead artists are concerned.. And some of them certainly deserve an obituary...............


"I can see dead people..."

hounddogman

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hounddogman @ 2020-01-19 21:39:18 UTC

It may just be my rather slow internet connection, but that new homepage takes like forever to load for me. It annoys me so much that I've begun to avoid it and enter via other pages.

I have to say that the page looks rather messy to me. Like entering the site of a YouTube blogger. It doesn't signal "serious info site" as I think it should. Less videos and more text please. A brief intro to SHS would be fine.

Like mentioned by others, I miss the "today in history" section. Perhaps also a few lines of "just added" covers, which guarantees that the site looks just a little bit different and alive every time you enter.

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sebcat

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sebcat @ 2020-01-26 13:13:32 UTC

(Detailed points: why are "Hit Song" and "Editor's Cover Song Pick" singular but the others e.g. "Obscure Originals" and "Unusual Cover Songs" plural? And what is the difference between an "Unusual Cover Song" and an "Unrecognizable Cover Song"?)

This same inconsistency appears in the version tables too. Between us, we should be able to propose a better terminology.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2020-01-26 13:22:56 UTC

How about this for some intro text to help the user navigate through the main features of our site?

Interesting suggestion. I don't think all of this could be displayed on the homepage. However, there could be a much shorter text (2 sentences?) and an intro button somewhere pointing towards this "Introduction to SecondHandSongs" page.

You could easily cut some of the text. It was just to illustrate how we can take users by the hand. A version of this introduction to explain the site would be a big improvement on what we currently have. At a minimum, we should highlight the main features of the site and direct users to the relevant sections of the site.

1. Search function

2. Cover song info and stats

3. Cover song discovery (via tags)

4. How they can contribute

Plus a facebook plug-in to act as a news-feed and keep the site current.

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2020-02-18 16:35:06 UTC

Sooooooo, this ugly and "no idea what this site is all about" Homepage suggestions is dead and we are moving on to more

important stuff like "Best rated originals and covers" https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/75529?offset=0#m197477 and "Spotify release dates" https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/75385?offset=0#m197485


Good to know, it's not important.


Seems strange to me as well. I acknowledge that I have no say on the homepage visualization and that someone has to have the final say, but why ask for input if it is just going to be ignored?

camembert electrique

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camembert electrique @ 2020-02-19 05:40:54 UTC

Sooooooo, this ugly and "no idea what this site is all about" Homepage suggestions is dead and we are moving on to more

important stuff like "Best rated originals and covers" https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/75529?offset=0#m197477 and "Spotify release dates" https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/75385?offset=0#m197485

Good to know, it's not important.

See https://secondhandsongs.com/message/197493 and https://secondhandsongs.com/message/197494

But yes, there are surely more important issues than those.

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2020-06-15 08:33:53 UTC

Reading through the feedback, here's my feedback on your feedback. I tried to stick to the main ideas (and also some of it was off-topic).

  • Need for a brief intro
    • Very well described as “someone coming to SHS for the first time should be able to easily figure out what this website is about from browsing the home page.
    • I agree. At the very minimum “Cover Songs Database” should written somewhere, and maybe 2-3 additional phrases with some essentials ideas/principles.
    • Sebcat, I appreciate the effort in making a concrete proposal, but I think we need something much much shorter for the homepage. Still, some of it can be recycled to the “About” or “Introduction” sections.
  • Search box
    • Meanwhile, “Discover” was renamed to “Search”
    • “Buried”
      • It was suggested to move the search box on top. Seems to make sense, especially since we might have to merge it with the main menu. See also https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/75803
      • It was also suggested to keep the search box on top at all times, an interesting proposal. I’m wondering why IMDB and Discogs aren’t doing this.
  • Cluttered look
    • I don’t understand how it can look cluttered if you can see max 6 thumbnails at once.
    • However, I understand the need "to know where you are", and therefore for structuring. Rows and/or sections are the obvious solution. Given the fact that I would like to reduce the current suggestion section to 3 rows, this aspect may probably solve itself. My suggestion: Let the debate be about which are 3 the most interesting tags for the homepage.
    • Why the "Wall of videos"
      • This is a music website. You have to be able to listen to the music as much as possible, and directly accessible preferrably.
  • On This Day
  • Tags
    • Headers smaller than performance title & performer: Hadn't spotted that. I guess we should decrease the text size of the performance title and performer.
    • "Introduced too soon". If you don't tag, you have little to visualize, if you don't visualize, people won't tag. We chose to make the push on visualization, to make tagging more worthwile.
    • Editor's pick
      • There seem to be some confusion about this tag, although it has been described: A version that isn't famous, but that has some intrinsic artistic or musical value which make it worth discovering. https://secondhandsongs.com/page/Guidelines/Entities/Performance/Tags
      • Limitations of its use: That's another debate, let's keep it out of scope here.
    • "Heading don't mean anything"
      • Not sure I understand this feedback. What's not clear about "unusual cover song"? Or "unrecognizable"?
  • News
    • A few want it back, although personally I think most of our news is irrelevant for most users.
    • An interesting idea on the other hand is a live feed of our Facebook page, which has more mainstream content.

To keep things manageable, I'd prefer you not to reply in this topic, but to reply in the topics I mentioned or create a new one if needed.Thanks!

Last edit: 2020-06-15 08:56:54 UTC by Bastien