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EMI Electrola - A label with problems
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Someone is acting in the shadows
Yes, I took care of a couple of album entries, most of those by retired editors, and also added attachments to a few.
Obviously, not all are automatically EMI releases. Some were also issued on (just) Electrola, Harvest and other sublabels.
Editor
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I had only one on the list. Originally created as a Columbia release, it was for some reason changed by Walt. Now changed back...
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Junior Editor
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Quote from camembert electriqueYes, I took care of a couple of album entries, most of those by retired editors, and also added attachments to a few.
Obviously, not all are automatically EMI releases. Some were also issued on (just) Electrola, Harvest and other sublabels.
Good cleanliness.
In these cases it is better to opt for the transfer. Move the release from one label to another.
You know why I'm saying that?
Junior Editor
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I had only one on the list. Originally created as a Columbia release, it was for some reason changed by Walt. Now changed back...
These are things that happen here.
That record...
... is clearly from the Columbia label because we're not blind.
The nexus (connection) with the EMI company (visible on the frontcover) would lead us to place that release in EMI Columbia
In SINGLES
1C 006 3x xxx series
Managing Editor
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Fixed the Schlümpfe release. I'll go back and look at the Columbia ones I changed and fix those too.
Editor
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Quote from camembert electriqueYes, I took care of a couple of album entries, most of those by retired editors, and also added attachments to a few.
Obviously, not all are automatically EMI releases. Some were also issued on (just) Electrola, Harvest and other sublabels.
Good cleanliness.
In these cases it is better to opt for the transfer. Move the release from one label to another.
You know why I'm saying that?
I don't know exactly why you're saying that, but it's quite exactly what I did wherever applicable.
Most updating editors seem to alter the labels but don't touch the EMI Electrola label series their additions were attributed to. We may have to think about this aspect, too...
Managing Editor
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Updated the Columbia releases and fixed the label series for those as well. It looks like the only two listed from me under EMI Electrola now were the ones actually released on that label.
Editor
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I had only one on the list. Originally created as a Columbia release, it was for some reason changed by Walt. Now changed back...
These are things that happen here.
That record...
... is clearly from the Columbia label because we're not blind.
The nexus (connection) with the EMI company (visible on the frontcover) would lead us to place that release in EMI Columbia
In SINGLES 1C 006 3x xxx series
Probably, we'll need to transfer many (most? all? - I didn't scrutinize) EMI Columbia releases to Columbia [EMI] (which also needs a closer look while still 'a baby'; see also what was said here) - or simply rename EMI Columbia...
Retired Editor
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I'm going with the albums now.
Ein Mann, ein Mädchen ---> EMI --- See the word EMI in the upper right corner of the frontcover
Em richtije Veedel - De Bläck Fööss singe Leeder vum Willi Ostermann ---> EMI (probably) --- See DISCOGS --- Use the word EMI and see this: Label Code: LC 0542
Zwei Herzen im Dreivierteltakt ---> His Master's Voice
All mine have now been moved............. CarlDennis
Junior Editor
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All mine have now been moved............. CarlDennis
I've published three lists.
I indicate the pending changes for you
List 1
1 pending change ----> Crystal Ball
List 2
8 pending changes.
Lista 3
Work finished.
Junior Editor
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I had only one on the list. Originally created as a Columbia release, it was for some reason changed by Walt. Now changed back...
These are things that happen here.
That record...
... is clearly from the Columbia label because we're not blind.
The nexus (connection) with the EMI company (visible on the frontcover) would lead us to place that release in EMI Columbia
In SINGLES 1C 006 3x xxx series
Probably, we'll need to transfer many (most? all? - I didn't scrutinize) EMI Columbia releases to Columbia [EMI] (which also needs a closer look while still 'a baby'; see also what was said here) - or simply rename EMI Columbia...
Lately, I was a little disappointed with the subject of record labels at SHS. I haven't taken Bastien 's creation into account. Mainly because I respect nikitoz555 a lot... his great idea...
But, undoubtedly, something needs to be done.
These two Columbia labels:
... are the same label.
And I think the correct name is Columbia [EMI]
How to do this is not an issue where I can participate (fusion, transfer,...)
I think I've answered your question.
If any idea was left in the air you tell me
Last edit: 2020-08-28 08:04:02 UTC by dany
Junior Editor
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Quote from camembert electriqueYes, I took care of a couple of album entries, most of those by retired editors, and also added attachments to a few.
Obviously, not all are automatically EMI releases. Some were also issued on (just) Electrola, Harvest and other sublabels.
Good cleanliness.
In these cases it is better to opt for the transfer. Move the release from one label to another.
You know why I'm saying that?
I don't know exactly why you're saying that, but it's quite exactly what I did wherever applicable.
Most updating editors seem to alter the labels but don't touch the EMI Electrola label series their additions were attributed to. We may have to think about this aspect, too...
That's what I meant.
I call this phenomenon: double cataloguing.
In my opinion, it's an idea that comes from DISCOGS.
On this issue I stay with RYM: a release ----> a label and only one.
We have entities (as labels) that are not labels (proper) but companies, and we also have divided labels (without a weight argument) for geographical-political reasons.
There is one thing that is greatly influencing and it is an error of concept:
"a series is something sacred and belongs only to one label"
This is fake. We know that a company can use several of its labels in the same series.
Retired Editor
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All mine have now been moved............. CarlDennis
I've published three lists.
Good call, José Manuel, now I have really corrected all mine..................
Thom
Manager
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Late to the party as usual, and a little lost.
I noticed It's a Real Good Feeling was moved to EMI , despite the EMI Electrola logo:
What's the rationale CarlDennis or dany ?
Retired Editor
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Late to the party as usual, and a little lost.
I noticed It's a Real Good Feeling was moved to EMI , despite the EMI Electrola logo:
What's the rationale CarlDennis or dany ?
I am rather sick and tired of all this, so I will leave the answer to dany
Junior Editor
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In my opinion, It's a Real Good Feeling is now properly classified.
Indeed, a logo appears on the frontcover... and it says this: EMI Electrola.
This logo refers to the company which, as we can see on the record label, is: EMI ELECTROLA GMBH.
This is a case where we must differentiate between the observable logo on the label (the word EMI with large red letters) and the company logo, which appears on the disc sleeve.
Editor
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In my opinion, It's a Real Good Feeling is now properly classified....
Agree.
Retired Editor
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In my opinion, It's a Real Good Feeling is now properly classified....
Agree.
Ceterum censeo: also in my opinion It's a Real Good Feeling is now properly classified....
Thanks, dany and camembert electrique for the support..........