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Tags: a cappella release (Release), A cappella (Performance)

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2021-02-06 16:48:22 UTC

Examples:

Taking the Fall

Brick


If anything, a cappella is a genre. I again ask why does this genre get a tag while others do not? Since I (and I believe others) have asked before without a response or explanation:

sebcat Tagged as likely the primary advocate for this tag

Bastien Tagged as the one who likely decides these matters

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2021-02-07 14:20:33 UTC

why does this genre get a tag while others do not?

Is it indeed a genre? Debatable. You can have an capella rendition in very different genres of music.

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2021-02-07 15:02:24 UTC

why does this genre get a tag while others do not?

Is it indeed a genre? Debatable. You can have an capella rendition in very different genres of music.


First, thanks for the timely response to this one....


Yes, I'd maintain a genre. There will be outliers and sub-genres within every genre. Perhaps "Death A Cappella", "Reggae A Cappella" as we have "Euro-Pop", "Power Pop".


The best solution is likely to create an artist field for "genre most associated with", but limited to broad categories. For starters:

Rock/Power Pop

Hard Rock/Metal

Country

Reggae

Jazz

Pop/Dance

Electronic

A Cappella


It's my understanding that adding genres has either been tried before or just considered. The only real problem I can anticipate is fighting over which genre, but that is heavily mitigated by limiting the options to broad genres.


The "big picture" problem for me, which is evidenced here, is having an A without a B, et. seq.:

a) If one "Joe Artist" has [brackets], all should if feasible.

b) If one genre gets a tag, then all broad genres should get a tag.

c) If one self-titled release gets [brackets], all should.

Last edit: 2021-03-09 13:18:09 UTC by Tar Heel

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2021-02-07 15:08:28 UTC

why does this genre get a tag while others do not?

Is it indeed a genre? Debatable. You can have an capella rendition in very different genres of music.

Yes. A cappella refers to vocal performances without any accompanying instruments. It can be performed in any musical genre.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2021-02-07 15:08:46 UTC

why does this genre get a tag while others do not?

Is it indeed a genre? Debatable. You can have an capella rendition in very different genres of music.

A cappella refers to vocal performances without any accompanying instruments. It can be performed in any musical genre.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2021-02-07 15:09:53 UTC

why does this genre get a tag while others do not?

Is it indeed a genre? Debatable. You can have an capella rendition in very different genres of music.

A cappella refers to vocal performances without any accompanying instruments. It can be performed in any musical genre.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2021-02-07 15:10:09 UTC

Whooops Smile

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2021-02-07 15:42:36 UTC

Yes. A cappella refers to vocal performances without any accompanying instruments. It can be performed in any musical genre.


Not really. or at least not really common enough to justify a tag. Black Water breaks into an a cappella portion, but is that portion that distinctive from a college a cappella group? Barbershop is a sub of a cappella, clearly distinct but sill a part of the genre.


Nevertheless, for argument's sake, let's call a cappella a "style" rather than a "genre". Why does no other styles get a tag? I believe there's now "acoustic", but that's arguably a genre as well. Just scanning my personal active genre list:

Acid Jazz & House

Afro Beat, Punk

Alternative practically everything

Celtic Punk, Rock

Christian Hip-Hop, Metalcore, Rock

Country Blues, Folk, Rock

Dark x, Death x, Deep x

Electro/Electronic practically everything

Euro x, Folk x, Gothic x

Gypsy x, Hard x

(Stopped there)


Granted "a cappella" is a more objective determination, but "acoustic" gets more grey. Once the door is open, it should be open to all comers. Frankly, it appears to me (and I can safely say to others) that these tags were added because you wanted them, notwithstanding what consistency problems they may create. Not a way to run an objective railroad.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2021-02-07 16:05:05 UTC

Frankly, it appears to me (and I can safely say to others) that these tags were added because you wanted them, notwithstanding what consistency problems they may create.

Not the case.

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2021-02-07 16:22:57 UTC

Frankly, it appears to me (and I can safely say to others) that these tags were added because you wanted them, notwithstanding what consistency problems they may create.

Not the case.


First, I'm assuming that you aren't privy to my conversations off the boards. Nevertheless, yes, I can safely say....


Second, I trust that you can do better than just link to a long thread, namely links to specific comments in same.


Third, no comment on the actual substance? Rather telling....

Last edit: 2021-02-07 16:46:34 UTC by Tar Heel

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2021-02-07 19:11:52 UTC

I don't appreciate the tone of your last post VV. It feels ad hominem and passive aggressive, to say the least.

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2021-02-08 00:43:19 UTC

I don't appreciate the tone of your last post VV. It feels ad hominem and passive aggressive, to say the least.


As does a, in reality non-responsive, simple "not the case." I tend to react in kind.


I could expand far more, but have elected to let several sleeping dogs lie. This exchange thus far alone suggests if not evidences several more general issues. Nevertheless, I started this thread in good faith, commented timely to your seemingly good faith response, only after which things began to decline (for reasons that are not specific to this discussion).

Last edit: 2021-03-09 13:20:42 UTC by Tar Heel

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2021-03-09 13:25:43 UTC

Yet another example of a failure to adequately explain the current situation.


I'd like to have some examples of:

Hard Rock A Cappella

Country A Cappella

Reggae A Cappella

Jazz A Cappella


An artist that's most associated with (e.g.) hard rock doesn't make an a cappella performance "hard rock a cappella". Artists cross genres all the time, hence the "most associated with".

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2021-03-24 07:56:26 UTC

~2 weeks and no response to the last inquiry. It would appear that there is no such beast as "Hard Rock A Cappella", etc.


Which brings us back full circle, why does the genre "a cappella" get a tag while others do not?