Do we add 'Karaoke' versions by the original artists?

Please see the situation on Isabel Varell ‎– Nie Wieder Ohne Dich where one track is an instrumental/Karaoke version of the main track. I guess it is ok to submit this as original and related instrumental?

Last edit: 2021-04-07 20:58:31 UTC by Sara K.

I would only do so if you know of versions by other artists.

No, karaoke versions are out of scope.

Updated the FAQ:

Last edit: 2021-04-12 13:48:20 UTC by Bastien

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I would only do so if you know of versions by other artists.

Why would you do that?

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No, karaoke versions are out of scope.

Updated the FAQ

This doesn’t quite work as there are several reasons where we do allow two performances by the same performer - vocal vs. instrumental, stage performance vs. recording, different first recording and first release, medley vs single part performance.

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No, karaoke versions are out of scope.

Updated the FAQ

This doesn’t quite work as there are several reasons where we do allow two performances by the same performer - vocal vs. instrumental, stage performance vs. recording, different first recording and first release, medley vs single part performance.

Performances in multiple languages.

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I would only do so if you know of versions by other artists.

Why would you do that?

Bastien, I recently added Children, Kinder, Enfants , there are 3 different language versions by the same artist. Are they not allowed? They were accepted by an editor , so I thought it would be ok so far?

I've added "instrumental" versions which are essentially the same recording minus the vocals and have never had an issue with that. I do avoid karaoke albums though

Here's another example I came across tonight. Swiss music production duo Ge & Luke released a cover of Lobo's "I'd Love You to Want Me" last year. The single also includes an "instrumental" version which is just the backing music (no vocal track). Do I still add the "instrumental" version?

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Do I still add the "instrumental" version?

I seem to remember I added some of these. In the end it is a different version.

I've added some like that before as well but wanted to make sure it didn't violate the ban on karaoke versions

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Updated the FAQ

This doesn’t quite work as there are several reasons where we do allow two performances by the same performer

Not sure the FAQ is the right place to go in detail into this.

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I recently added Children, Kinder, Enfants , there are 3 different language versions by the same artist. Are they not allowed?

It's 3x the same artist, and no other version (yet?), so no, I don't think this is relevant for a cover songs database.

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I've added "instrumental" versions which are essentially the same recording minus the vocals and have never had an issue with that. I do avoid karaoke albums though

The exception is only for different recordings by the same artist:

https://secondhandsongs.com/page/Guidelines/Entities/Performance/Creation

Otherwise, what's the relevance?

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Here's another example I came across tonight. Swiss music production duo Ge & Luke released a cover of Lobo's "I'd Love You to Want Me" last year. The single also includes an "instrumental" version which is just the backing music (no vocal track). Do I still add the "instrumental" version?

Thanks for coming up with a specific case. I'd say: No.

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I recently added Children, Kinder, Enfants , there are 3 different language versions by the same artist. Are they not allowed?

It's 3x the same artist, and no other version (yet?), so no, I don't think this is relevant for a cover songs database.

Hmm, I think that's a pity and I don't think it is to the benefit of the database. My definition of cover is obviously broader and includes different language and instrumental versions in general.

I can't find it anywhere, but I thought I remember Bastien saying it was ok

to add the vocal and the instrumental.

Anyone else remember that conversation???

sebcat

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I can't find it anywhere, but I thought I remember Bastien saying it was ok

to add the vocal and the instrumental.

Anyone else remember that conversation???

sebcat

I thought it was okay too. I can’t find the original discussion however.

In this case, though, I think Bastien is saying that where we have a single recording, one with the backing track only and one with the vocals then there is no value is listing both.

However, if an artist re-records a vocal cover or original as an instrumental version, then that feels reasonable to include.

This is only my interpretation so no guarantee that it’s correct

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I can't find it anywhere, but I thought I remember Bastien saying it was ok

to add the vocal and the instrumental.

You're referring to the following guideline:

Only 1 performance of a particular work per artist is allowed. Exceptions where we allow multiple performances/work/artist:

• When an artist records a separate vocal and instrumental version of the same work.
• This does not refer to karaoke versions, which just leaves out the vocal track.

https://secondhandsongs.com/page/Guidelines/Entities/Performance/Creation

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where we have a single recording, one with the backing track only and one with the vocals then there is no value is listing both.

However, if an artist re-records a vocal cover or original as an instrumental version, then that feels reasonable to include.

Correct.