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sebcat

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sebcat @ 2022-03-23 22:34:40 UTC

Sounds like a good idea for a start. Looking forward to hear how that went Smile

I've done ESDF xxxx France. You or walt will need to transfer onto a new label series. Otherwise the releases will continue to appear on the Columbia page too, which I presume that you don't want.

By the way, shouldn't there be a label relation between Columbia [EMI] and Columbia?

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2022-03-23 22:35:34 UTC

Only one of them actively delegates sorting out everything to editors he at least agnizes to be better knowing. Even Basten himself occasionally, though mainly indirectly, admits not to be familiar with cases in question, either.

I will write to you separately about this comment camembert electrique

camembert electrique

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camembert electrique @ 2022-03-24 04:45:19 UTC

I've done ESDF xxxx France. You or walt will need to transfer onto a new label series. Otherwise the releases will continue to appear on the Columbia page too, which I presume that you don't want.

By the way, shouldn't there be a label relation between Columbia [EMI] and Columbia?

Thanks! Recently, I failed when attempting to transfer an entire label series (either from Columbia to Columbia [EMI] or from EMI to Odeon), so I'm not sure that works for me.

I established a relation between EMI and Columbia [EMI]. Relating to Columbia can't be done on the fly, though. As pointed out by dany , myself and others in the past: To be in the position to distinguish, we would need a Columbia [CBS] and/or (a) Columbia [CBS/Sony] page(s) to counterpart - the primary relation would then be 'not to be confused with'.

dany

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dany @ 2022-03-24 07:47:41 UTC

Message for sebcat:


1. First of all I want to congratulate you on your magnificent powers (permissions).

2. You must become aware of what the objective is, so we will do things on the first try and we will not have to rectify: The entire series (as a block) is moved to Columbia [EMI] and disappears from Columbia (since 1931, there is no connection between the two labels).

3. Don't be in a hurry. If there are errors in the process you must stop.

Last edit: 2022-03-24 08:25:25 UTC by dany

dany

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dany @ 2022-03-24 08:04:02 UTC

Errors observable today in the transfer process from Columbia to Columbia [EMI]


SEGS (x)xx [Sweden] series ---- work done by camembert electric

It is necessary to change the label of all those releases. This error was fixed

That series needs to disappear from Columbia. This error was fixed


ESDF xxxx series --- work done by sebcat

That series needs to disappear from Columbia. This error was fixed

Last edit: 2022-03-28 11:29:07 UTC by dany

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2022-03-24 08:19:48 UTC

2. You must become aware of what the objective is, so we will do things on the first try and we will not have to rectify: The entire series (as a block) is moved to Columbia [EMI] and disappears from Columbia.

Yes dany this is what I referred to above: You or walt will need to transfer onto a new label series. Otherwise the releases will continue to appear on the Columbia page too, which I presume that you don't want. Any editor can transfer releases between label series. The only thing that I am required to do at the end of process is transfer the releases to the new label.

3. Don't be in a hurry. If there are errors in the process you must stop.

That is why I only transferred a single block of EPs. Did you think I had done more?

dany

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dany @ 2022-03-24 08:34:41 UTC

Here's my idea:

go slowly, make a change, check it's correct and move on to another series of EPs.


In my previous speech I made it clear that there are mistakes and therefore, we must not move forward but fix them.

walt

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walt @ 2022-03-24 10:21:34 UTC

Errors observable today in the transfer process from Columbia to Columbia [EMI]


ESDF xxxx series --- work done by sebcat

That series needs to disappear from Columbia.


Solved now. You need 3 steps for this:

1. Create a new label series in the new label (ESDF 1xxx in this case)

2. Mass edit all corresponding items to this

3. Delete the old label series in the old label, it will show "zero" there, if not, something went wrong

dany

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dany @ 2022-03-24 12:54:35 UTC

Updated the list of EP series and the list of errors

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2022-03-24 19:08:55 UTC

Solved now. You need 3 steps for this:

1. Create a new label series in the new label (ESDF 1xxx in this case)

2. Mass edit all corresponding items to this

3. Delete the old label series in the old label, it will show "zero" there, if not, something went wrong

Perfect summary.

Let me know any other blocks of releases you have moved to a new Columbia [EMI] label series. I can then do the mass transfer of releases to the label as a final step.

walt

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walt @ 2022-03-25 08:31:31 UTC

sebcat

Can you try to alter Erik's 32 items of SEGS (x)xx [Sweden] from Columbia to Columbia [EMI] ?

dany

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dany @ 2022-03-25 09:44:23 UTC

sebcat

Can you try to alter Erik's 32 items of SEGS (x)xx [Sweden] from Columbia to Columbia [EMI] ?

Exactly... and delete them from Columbia.

If we solve that, we can move forward.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2022-03-25 21:57:19 UTC

sebcat

Can you try to alter Erik's 32 items of SEGS (x)xx [Sweden] from Columbia to Columbia [EMI] ?

Exactly... and delete them from Columbia.

If we solve that, we can move forward.

We don't need to delete them from Columbia as an extra step dany . It happens automatically as long as they have been already added to the label series on Columbia [EMI].

dany

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dany @ 2022-03-28 11:39:21 UTC

We don't need to delete them from Columbia as an extra step dany . It happens automatically as long as they have been already added to the label series on Columbia [EMI].

That's great. A technical detail that I did not know.

Now we have 591 releases at Columbia [EMI] and there are no mistakes. We can continue...

The EP series transferable are listed below, indicating their country of origin:

01 C 4xxxx (only 1 release) Germany ----> already transferred

02 ESDF xxxx France ----> already transferred

03 ESG 7xxx UK ----> already transferred

04 ESRF 1xxx France ----> already transferred

05 ESVF xxxx France ----> already transferred

06 MY EP xxx Finland ----> already transferred

07 SEGH xx Holland

08 SEGS (x)xx Sweden ----> already transferred

09 SEG xxxx UK

10 SEMQ (x)xx Italy

Last edit: 2022-08-30 06:14:08 UTC by dany

walt

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walt @ 2022-03-29 13:15:09 UTC

From Columbia, I transferred:

ESG 7xxx UK (10 items)

MY EP xxx Finland (13 items)

to Columbia [EMI] via label series

sebcat please alter their label

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2022-04-14 17:41:27 UTC

04 ESRF 1xxx France

Sorry to be late at the party, but can someone explain why this series needs to be moved to Columbia [EMI] ?

Clearly there's something I don't understand.

dany

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dany @ 2022-04-14 18:45:41 UTC

Quote from Bastien

Clearly there's something I don't understand.

That something I don't understand refers to the whole process ?

... or that particular series?

camembert electrique

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camembert electrique @ 2022-04-17 02:25:00 UTC

04 ESRF 1xxx France

Sorry to be late at the party, but can someone explain why this series needs to be moved to Columbia [EMI] ?

Clearly there's something I don't understand.

Briefly summing up what's been explained before: From the 1930s on, Columbia releases outside North America and Japan were generally issued under the EMI roof = Columbia [EMI].

Does this help to comprehend?

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2022-04-20 19:28:25 UTC

Briefly summing up what's been explained before: From the 1930s on, Columbia releases outside North America and Japan were generally issued under the EMI roof = Columbia [EMI].

Does this help to comprehend?

Yes, thank you camembert electrique . Also, the comment added by walt on Columbia [EMI] helps a lot as well.

What I'm really worried about now is that the situation is incredibly error prone. I expect dozens of releases will each month be attributed to Columbia instead of Columbia [EMI] . And I have no idea how to prevent this.