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Take the "A" Train by Duke Ellington's Spacemen

Submitted by

JeffC

On January 2, 2018

Performance

performance

Take the "A" Train

By Duke Ellington's Spacemen

Completeness

57%
Language
(instrumental)
Release
The Cosmic Scene

The Cosmic Scene

Release date
1958
Label
Columbia [US]
Catalog number
CL 1198
Format
Album 12" LP

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History

Change by microtherion
2018-06-17 09:54:56 UTC
Assignee: microtherion
 
Comment by microtherion
2018-06-17 09:56:17 UTC

This is another Ellington led ensemble, so I'm not sure this qualifies as a "different artist" according to our criteria (we already have a vocal, instrumental, and visual recording of this song by Ellington).

 
Change by microtherion
2018-06-17 09:56:22 UTC
Status: open need info
 
Change by JeffC
submitter
2018-06-17 12:00:36 UTC
Status: need info open
 
Comment by JeffC
submitter
2018-06-17 12:00:36 UTC

I'm never sure how this works. "The label controls" except when it doesn't?

 
Comment by microtherion
2018-06-22 22:27:50 UTC

I must admit that this was a complete judgment call on my part. Can you please point me to the guideline that says "the label controls"?

 
Change by microtherion
2018-06-22 22:28:44 UTC
Status: open need info
 
Change by JeffC
submitter
2018-06-23 02:32:57 UTC
Status: need info open
 
Comment by JeffC
submitter
2018-06-23 02:32:57 UTC

No, I can't. It used to be addressed (somewhat) in the "database guidelines," but these are no longer available (to me?).

(See, https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/74178)


In any event, I've never quite grasped how "credits" work. (See, e.g., https://secondhandsongs.com/case/51371

Last updated by JeffC on 2018-06-23 06:37:51 UTC - Show original message

 
Comment by sebcat
2018-06-23 12:21:55 UTC

It's an area of very active discussion among editors - with not much prospect of being resolves as far as I can see.

At the present time, I think the position is that we should only include one performance per artist. There are a few exceptions, but this is the gist. So if we think that Duke Ellington and "Duke Ellington's Spaceman" are the same 'artist' as per SHS definitions, then we wouldn't add a second performance based on the current approach. On the other hand, if you felt that "Duke Ellington's Spaceman" should be listed as a separate artist in the database, then you could add the cover.

 
Comment by microtherion
2018-06-23 17:05:03 UTC

Thanks for the added discussion, Jeff and Seb. My thought on this is that the "Spacemen" have no identity separate from Duke Ellington; they never recorded anything else under that name. So my instinct would be to treat them as an alias for Duke Ellington himself.

https://secondhandsongs.com/case/51371 is a bit different, because in that case, there is at least an identifiable band leader/conductor distinct from the soloist. Here, there is not even that.

 
Comment by sebcat
2024-03-11 23:57:49 UTC

My thought on this is that the "Spacemen" have no identity separate from Duke Ellington; they never recorded anything else under that name. So my instinct would be to treat them as an alias for Duke Ellington himself.

Agree microtherion , suggesting that this cover doesn't qualify for the database JeffC ?

 
Change by microtherion
2024-03-12 00:24:29 UTC
Status: open need info
 
Change by JeffC
submitter
2024-03-12 02:18:08 UTC
Status: need info open
 
Change by JeffC
submitter
2024-03-12 02:18:15 UTC
Assignee: microtherion JeffC
 
Change by JeffC
submitter
2024-03-12 02:18:21 UTC
Status: open rejected