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Bastien

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Bastien @ 2019-10-12 15:45:00 UTC

The performance tags are now displayed in the Info field of the Versions list. They are an additional help for our users to navigate the long lists of versions, in search for the most relevant.

As an example, see The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine (Anymore) . Screenshot in attachment.

As a quick reminder:

  • Tags can be attributed to performances by Editors and Certified Contributors
  • Currently we're experimenting with the following performance tags: Definitive, Hit song, Editor's pick, More famous than the original,Obscure original, Unusual, Unrecognizable, Revival and many more. Descriptions here.
  • A selection of Tagged versions are displayed in the Highlights section. See which ones.

As a next step we'd like to improve the visualization of the tags, which are now simple text strings. If anyone has suggestions or like making mock-ups, feel free Smile

Last edit: 2019-10-12 15:50:17 UTC by Bastien


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VirileVagabond

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VirileVagabond @ 2019-10-12 17:03:20 UTC

I've been pushing for something like this for some time, congrats. Now how to best visualize?


Quickly searching recent additions under "Explore" for a work with a relatively diverse and high number of tagged covers left me on Come Together …. An initial thought: Do we need e.g. "Live version" and "A cappella version" when just "Live" and "A cappella" suffices? Dropping "version" would look cleaner.


I'm also thinking that converting the tags to a system of 2 to 4 letter codes or some icon. "Editor's Pick" could be EP or an E in a circle icon, etc. If letters are used, all should be the same length for consistency. A user could float over the icon for a fuller description of that specific tag or click to take you to a full list of descriptions. They should be designed to be relatively intuitive for regular users.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2019-10-12 20:31:12 UTC

Really pleased to see this too. Thanks Mathieu and Bastien Smile

An initial thought: Do we need e.g. "Live version" and "A cappella version" when just "Live" and "A cappella" suffices? Dropping "version" would look cleaner.

I'd agree that we could drop "version". This would help avoid too much repetition in the tables.

dudek

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dudek @ 2019-10-12 21:55:44 UTC

I like the way the tags look like in the editors' field (i.e. white font with the default turquoise background). Maybe it could be used for the Versions lists, too.

walt

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walt @ 2019-10-13 16:03:36 UTC

I'm getting error reports regularly saying "this is an instrumental" and "this video don't work", the first is okay, the second is so-so (it depends where you live).


I'm expecting more of that now, genre: "this is/isn't a live version" or "this is more famous (in my country) than the original" and so on ... are we gonna allow that? may I re-assign these to somebody? because I don't want to spent my time on them.

VirileVagabond

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VirileVagabond @ 2019-10-13 17:21:50 UTC

I'm getting error reports regularly saying "this is an instrumental" and "this video don't work", the first is okay, the second is so-so (it depends where you live).


I'm expecting more of that now, genre: "this is/isn't a live version" or "this is more famous (in my country) than the original" and so on ... are we gonna allow that? may I re-assign these to somebody? because I don't want to spent my time on them.


I'm sympathetic. While I file more than my share of instrumental related error reports (that's what I was advised to do), I have requested CC authority to handle myself. I file no vid related error reports as a general rule.


I'll also observe that the more info SHS attaches to an entry, the more potential errors. In other words the number of reports will be a function of the number of fields, tags, etc. attached or missing. This relationship should be considered when adding more and more marginal, less crucial and only somewhat informative data. I'll repeat my recommendation that tags should be few and concise, which would help with your concerns.


As to the "live" tag. Editors will need to review this tag if an earlier recording (i.e. studio) is found/reported (also vice versa). CCs and other experienced contributors need to note a needed tag change when filing such report. (I'm rather confident that I have some of these coming to an "editor near you".)

VirileVagabond

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VirileVagabond @ 2020-04-06 18:13:31 UTC

This thread seems to be another example of a big topic that generated some important feedback with nary a reply. What happened to:

a) The concerns over unnecessary visual clutter by the use of "version" in some tags?

b) Managing the anticipated tag related error reports? Has this problem materialized?


Some additional observations now that some time has passed:

a) "Editor's Pick" should show which editor picked. A user may come to look for picks by some editors and prefer to ignore those by others, simply based on similar preferences.

b) "Unusual" seems rather useless in practice. Looks to me that some editors tag as unusual simply because the recording is in a very different genre than some baseline and perhaps as a way to get around limits on the number of editor picks per work. This tag will always have a level of subjectivity, but some restraint is still called for.

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2020-04-08 13:07:51 UTC

I'm expecting more of that now, genre: "this is/isn't a live version" or "this is more famous (in my country) than the original" and so on ... are we gonna allow that? may I re-assign these to somebody? because I don't want to spent my time on them.

Let's discuss them when they are reported to you. Let us know Smile

I'll already say this though: If it's a factual matter (eg live vs non-live), then it would make sense for you to correct it.

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2020-04-08 13:12:11 UTC

Do we need e.g. "Live version" and "A cappella version" when just "Live" and "A cappella" suffices? Dropping "version" would look cleaner.

Dropped "version".

Oldiesmann

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Oldiesmann @ 2020-04-11 23:00:27 UTC

In the screenshot from the original post, it shows "More famous than the original" next to The Walker Bros version. It now says "Cover more famous than the original". "Cover" is unnecessary because the fact that a version isn't the original already indicates that it's a cover.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2020-04-11 23:17:34 UTC

In the screenshot from the original post, it shows "More famous than the original" next to The Walker Bros version. It now says "Cover more famous than the original". "Cover" is unnecessary because the fact that a version isn't the original already indicates that it's a cover.

Very much agree.

I'd also like to make a plea to change the descriptor of out of the vault in the Versions tables. Currently it reads Released more than 10 years after it was recorded, which seems pretty clunky to me. I'd be quite happy with out of the vault in the version table too.

VirileVagabond

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VirileVagabond @ 2020-04-11 23:32:34 UTC

I'd also like to make a plea to change the descriptor of out of the vault in the Versions tables. Currently it reads Released more than 10 years after it was recorded, which seems pretty clunky to me. I'd be quite happy with out of the vault in the version table too.


And I'll repeat that the "out of the vault" tag should be auto-generated and removed by an agreed upon time delay based on the recording and release dates.


Also is "out of the vault" a widely understood phrase? I don't think I had ever read prior to the recent related discussions on SHS. Personally, I don't see this tag having much value since the recording and release dates are disclosed (granted, not on the cover list), but some phrase more intuitive (e.g. "delayed release") seems more understandable to the average user.

VirileVagabond

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VirileVagabond @ 2020-04-18 14:57:40 UTC

Do we need e.g. "Live version" and "A cappella version" when just "Live" and "A cappella" suffices? Dropping "version" would look cleaner.

Dropped "version".


The "definitive" tag still reads "Definitive version" on the list under the work: Mack the Knife


While this recording is certainly definitive of the English recordings, I wonder of the work overall since I'm in no position to judge.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2020-09-06 16:18:58 UTC

And I'll repeat that the "out of the vault" tag should be auto-generated and removed by an agreed upon time delay based on the recording and release dates.

Yes this was always the intention with this tag, as I understand it, VirileVagabond . The enhancement is already in the queue.

It won't catch everything though, so you'll still need a manual option. It's quite common to have a recording that you can date to, say the late 1960s, but not a firm year. In these cases, there's no way to add a recording date. Maybe if Mark's suggestion mduval32323 of including decades gets picked up, we'll be able to make this almost fully automated.

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2020-09-19 15:45:01 UTC

In the screenshot from the original post, it shows "More famous than the original" next to The Walker Bros version. It now says "Cover more famous than the original". "Cover" is unnecessary because the fact that a version isn't the original already indicates that it's a cover.

Makes sense. Updated accordingly.

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2020-09-19 15:48:39 UTC

I'd also like to make a plea to change the descriptor of out of the vault in the Versions tables. Currently it reads Released more than 10 years after it was recorded, which seems pretty clunky to me. I'd be quite happy with out of the vault in the version table too.

No doubt, it's too clunky. But out of the vault might be elegant, it's not clear what it is.

How about we shorten it to Released >10 years after its recording?

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2020-09-19 15:52:06 UTC

The "definitive" tag still reads "Definitive version"

Unlike live and a capella, I'm under the impression definitive needs version to be widely understood.

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2020-09-19 15:53:00 UTC

It won't catch everything though, so you'll still need a manual option.

... and you will need the manual option very often!

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2020-09-19 16:06:41 UTC

No doubt, it's too clunky. But out of the vault might be elegant, it's not clear what it is.

You could say that about the tag name too, which is displayed on the performance page

How about we shorten it to Released >10 years after its recording?

Probably worse. The best I can do would be Released long after recording. But I still prefer out of the vault.

walt

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walt @ 2020-09-22 09:12:22 UTC

But I still prefer out of the vault.


Hash "tag" Me too Smile