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Quote from VirileVagabond

I'll also note that It Must Be Love is currently tagged as a hit song and has a comment that reads "#21 in The Netherlands in 1972". I can't see how this would be a "good example of an obscure original" but does seem to be a good example of why the obscure tag is problematic.

It looks like CarlDennis swapped the obscure original tag for the hit-song tag. The current SHS guidance defines a hit-song as reaching the top twenty. So I’m not sure the Dutch chart placing helps. But the song also reached number fourteen in the UK charts

To quote that one again: Synonyms of obscure according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary: ambiguous, arcane, cryptic, dark, deep, Delphic, double-edged, elliptic, enigmatic, equivocal, fuliginous, inscrutable, murky, mysterious, mystic, nebulous, occult, opaque

Not sure how this relates to Homepage Suggestions, but since Erik is raising this, I do think we have gotten a bit excessive with the Tags. Obscure is certainly one of those. Heck we don't even spell the Tag "Reissue" correctly, we say "Re-Issue". I posted a long explanation on why that was incorrect. Was that one changed. Nope. You only use a dash after Re if it will be confused with a standing word.

This is getting miles off topic You might want to start a new thread for specific issues with tags.

Quote from mduval32323

Not sure how this relates to Homepage Suggestions, but since Erik is raising this, I do think we have gotten a bit excessive with the Tags. Obscure is certainly one of those.

Yup - I've always thought this tag was redundant, given the more famous than the original tag.

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Heck we don't even spell the Tag "Reissue" correctly, we say "Re-Issue". I posted a long explanation on why that was incorrect. Was that one changed. Nope. You only use a dash after Re if it will be confused with a standing word.

I agree. Maybe you can tag Bastien in the original thread instead?

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Heck we don't even spell the Tag "Reissue" correctly, we say "Re-Issue". I posted a long explanation on why that was incorrect. Was that one changed. Nope. You only use a dash after Re if it will be confused with a standing word.

And the purpose of the "reissue" tag is....?

For consistency, we should use [Reissue] as is used for all other different versions of the same release e.g. [Japan], [iTunes].

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I've always thought this tag was redundant, given the more famous than the original tag.

And the purpose of the "more famous" tag is...?

We already have "hit song" and "definitive". What niche is "more famous" currently filling to justify its existence?

Quote from VirileVagabond

And the purpose of the "more famous" tag is...?

Very good question.

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The current SHS guidance defines a hit-song as reaching the top twenty....

A song spending ten weeks in the top 40 may be a bigger hit than one dropping out after two weeks in the top 20...

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For consistency, we should use [Reissue] as is used for all other different versions of the same release e.g. [Japan], [iTunes].

...or [Deluxe edition] etc. - I absolutely agree.

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The current SHS guidance defines a hit-song as reaching the top twenty....

A song spending ten weeks in the top 40 may be a bigger hit than one dropping out after two weeks in the top 20...

I agree that we should consider anything that hit the top 40 a hit.

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I agree that we should consider anything that hit the top 40 a hit.

Previous discussion here. You might want to re-start the discussion there?

I've read it and I like the vision of Sebcat the most. Listing the possibilities within the first page is very helpful.

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I've read it and I like the vision of Sebcat the most. Listing the possibilities within the first page is very helpful.

It would certainly help to give new users a quick way to understand the key features of our website. At the moment, most new users won't really have much of a clue about the different ways that they can use or contribute to the database.

Who doesn’t love the vision of Sebastian. Trust me a lot of the lazy entries on SHS would end under his watch.

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It looks like CarlDennis swapped the obscure original tag for the hit-song tag. The current SHS guidance defines a hit-song as reaching the top twenty. So I’m not sure the Dutch chart placing helps. But the song also reached number fourteen in the UK charts

Good job CarlDennis

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Heck we don't even spell the Tag "Reissue" correctly, we say "Re-Issue".

Thanks mduval32323 . Tag changed to "Reissue". Hadn't read your remark before.

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And the purpose of the "more famous" tag is...?

Very good question.

Not all hit cover songs are "more famous", the original can be famous as well.

Multiple cover songs of the work can be "more famous", but there's probably only 1 "definitive".

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I've read it and I like the vision of Sebcat the most. Listing the possibilities within the first page is very helpful.

I'm also fully on board with the idea behind sebcat proposal. But I'm looking for a better a elaboration. The proposal needs to be concise and visually attractive.

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And the purpose of the "more famous" tag is...?

Very good question.

Not all hit cover songs are "more famous", the original can be famous as well.

Multiple cover songs of the work can be "more famous", but there's probably only 1 "definitive".

Correct, not all hit covers are "more famous" so the tag is n/a there; however, when a hit is "more famous", that concept is already included in the "hit" tag. If both the cover and the original were hits or are otherwise relatively well known, who's to say which is "more famous"?

If a cover wasn't a "hit", how can we say it's objectively "more famous"?

In other words, when would a performance be tagged as "more famous" and not also qualify as a "hit" or "definitive"? There may be some, but I'd guess that they would be rare though admittedly a function of what qualifies for the "hit" tag,

As things stand, "more famous" has since been superseded by other options....

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Not all hit cover songs are "more famous", the original can be famous as well.

Multiple cover songs of the work can be "more famous", but there's probably only 1 "definitive".

Just wondering... Who is to decide which is that "only 'definitive'" version? Based on which objective criteria?

And can't an original be 'definitive'? If not, why not?