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Likely Italian "Runaround Sue"

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2020-04-29 19:25:59 UTC

Reviewing an (assuming) Italian adaption of Runaround Sue by Remo Germani on:

https://www.discogs.com/Remo-Germani-Adorabile-Susi-Bianca-Notte/release/3326747


Since there's clear logical conflicts between the Piero Leonardi translator credit, that artist's date of death on site (1959), and the release of the original song (1961), assuming there's another Deani out there.


As I may forget these observations later, posting them in "real time" during my research phase....


Adorabile Susi · Remo Germani

Adorabile Susi - Bianca Notte

℗ 1962 Saar Srl under license to Pirames International Srl

Composer: Dion Di Mucci

Lyricist: Alfredo Bracchi,Deani


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Bonus Lead: Cuantas cosas

https://www.discogs.com/Remo-Germani-Canta-En-Espa%C3%B1ol/release/5714751

Last edit: 2020-04-29 19:54:30 UTC by Tar Heel

Oldiesmann

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Oldiesmann @ 2020-04-30 02:55:31 UTC

Unfortunately it's not listed in SIAE so we'll just have to create an anonymous "Deani [1]" author for now until we can figure out who the one involved with this one was.

Oldiesmann

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Oldiesmann @ 2020-04-30 03:09:59 UTC

Both "Adorabile Susi" and "Cuantos cosas" are now on site. Looking to see what else I can add by him. He also apparently did an Italian cover of Pat Boone's classic "Speedy Gonzales"

CarlDennis

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CarlDennis @ 2020-09-03 08:06:19 UTC

Torna al mittente is now on site, but I have no idea, why this performance was mentioned here.

I also merged the "Deani [1]" author with Piero Leonardi and then found out about the discussion here. I was rather angry, that no warning was given about "Deani [1]" possibly being an extra Deani, so I leave it up Michael to clean up the mess again. My confusion should not have been possible........

Thom

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Tar Heel @ 2020-09-03 08:20:45 UTC

Quote from CarlDennis

Torna al mittente is now on site, but I have no idea, why this performance was mentioned here.

I also merged the "Deani [1]" author with Piero Leonardi and then found out about the discussion here. I was rather angry, that no warning was given about "Deani [1]" possibly being an extra Deani, so I leave it up Michael to clean up the mess again. My confusion should not have been possible........

Thom


Not sure how to respond. I was researching a lead and noticed the "Deani problem" and posted my thoughts here since I would likely forget come submission time.


OM took an interest in the matter and the artist in general, so I offered my finds thus far from my own reviews.


If you merged the new Deani with the old, it would appear that you didn't notice the conflict with the old D's bio? It is an interesting question as to why the "system" didn't catch. Some check of a root work's birth date vs. death date of a credit? Maybe death dates, etc. have been corrected since my original post, dunno....

CarlDennis

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CarlDennis @ 2020-09-03 09:56:01 UTC

Of course I did not notice any conflict of age: I was not warned and that is why I am so angry. The interaction you had with Michael was deeply hidden in the vaults of SHS and that should not be the case. Once again, it is up to Michael to restore the peace.

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2020-09-03 09:59:43 UTC

Quote from CarlDennis

Of course I did not notice any conflict of age: I was not warned and that is why I am so angry. The interaction you had with Michael was deeply hidden in the vaults of SHS and that should not be the case. Once again, it is up to Michael to restore the peace.


I've suggested a new "Discuss" button to better handle these matters so that the discussion is attached to the entry and isn't so buried:

https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/76000

https://secondhandsongs.com/topic/75638


Perhaps you have something else in mind (e.g. editor notes, I didn't look), but I don't see where you have offered any thoughts on the suggestion....

Oldiesmann

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Oldiesmann @ 2020-09-05 03:06:59 UTC

Recreated "Deani[1]" and fixed the credit for "Adorabile Susi".

CarlDennis

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CarlDennis @ 2020-09-05 09:45:12 UTC

OK! And now including a sentence not be confused................

baggish

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baggish @ 2020-09-05 10:14:28 UTC

Something is up with Deani and his dates:

- Cielo azzurro - German original in 1954 but Italian version not performed until 1967 (possible I suppose)

- Un bacio all'Italiana - German original in 1962

- Quando sale la luna - first performed 1991, other lyric writer Eugenio Del Sarto was born the year before Deani died

Quando sale la luna was published by Leonardi Edizioni srl. According to discogs this company was set up by Deani in 1927 and is a family company. Is it possible someone else within the company continued the use of the pseudonym?

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Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2020-09-05 11:31:54 UTC

From an outsider looking into the editor world, what I see:

a) A "not to be confused with...." comment is advisable; and

b) It's my understanding that editors are not supposed to edit another active editor's work without asking. This appears to be a good example as to why.


Quote from baggish

- Cielo azzurro - German original in 1954 but Italian version not performed until 1967 (possible I suppose)


My thought when I see something like this is to question the "First Release" flag, but a translator credit error seems just as likely. I just tend to rely on SHS translator credits (unless I see good evidence to the contrary); I'm far more skeptical of "first" flags.


Lastly, automated error checks may not be feasible and warnings ignored after implementation. The solution may just be editor/contributor observations and bringing them to someone's attention. These may or may not be an error observations are (again) a potential use for the proposed "Discuss" button.

baggish

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baggish @ 2020-09-05 13:40:54 UTC

Quote from VirileVagabond

Quote from baggish

- Cielo azzurro - German original in 1954 but Italian version not performed until 1967 (possible I suppose)


My thought when I see something like this is to question the "First Release" flag, but a translator credit error seems just as likely. I just tend to rely on SHS translator credits (unless I see good evidence to the contrary); I'm far more skeptical of "first" flags.

Yes, without knowing anything about the song, that is a possible explanation.

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baggish

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baggish @ 2020-09-05 14:11:28 UTC

Quote from baggish

- Quando sale la luna - first performed 1991, other lyric writer Eugenio Del Sarto was born the year before Deani died

This one is an error I think, it is not credited to Deani on the record so I think it is a different Piero Leonardi (possibly the one that the discogs page I quoted earlier says was born in 1961). Error reported.

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jojo

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jojo @ 2020-09-05 15:53:20 UTC

Quote from VirileVagabond

Quote from baggish

- Cielo azzurro - German original in 1954 but Italian version not performed until 1967 (possible I suppose)


My thought when I see something like this is to question the "First Release" flag, .


VV, I can see why: https://www.discogs.com/Orchestra-Della-Canzone-Diretta-Dal-Mo-Angelini-Caccia-G…


AND:

video

So my thought would be a German original from 1936/1937


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Last edit: 2020-09-05 16:17:53 UTC by jojo