Going through the album Vi ska ses igen by Samuelsons. According to SMDB, this was originally a song written by Al Byron and Paul Evans, but it's not one of the four by those two that's currently on site. Anyone recognize the tune?
but it's not one of the four by those two that's currently on site. Anyone recognize the tune?
Michael are you trying to fool us ?
IMO it is on site: Forget Me Not
So there are 2 seperate Swedish covers.
BTW I found a 1 year older version than Forget Me Not
https://www.discogs.com/Howard-Carpendale--Dann-Geh-Doch/release/1999649
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Not sure how I missed that.
The Carpendale cover doesn't make any sense as I can't find any recordings earlier than the one done by Wariner. Unfortunately I can't find a video of it to verify.
Found another cover of the English version by Swedish country singer Kikki Danielsson. The album was already on site but somehow this got overlooked.
The Carpendale cover doesn't make any sense as I can't find any recordings earlier than the one done by Wariner. Unfortunately I can't find a video of it to verify.
the Carpendale cover does make sense, because it exists.
I have sent an email to the composer Paul Evans. I hope he can shed a light on this matter
Jojo greets
There is indeed a possibility that Carpendale released before Wariner. This also for the reason that both versions were published by September Music Corporation. See GEMA work no. 987921-001 resp. 987921-003
It was/is (still) quite usual for publishing companies to distribute (unrealesed) songs for licensing etc...
PS: "Die längste Nacht", German lyrics by Fred Jay, even has an ISWC registration: T-802.254.553-6
PPS: ISWC also names some K. Rogers as a performer of "Forget Me Not", but that doesn't seem to be Kenny Rogers...
I got an answer from Paul Evans: here's what he said:
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Yo, Joop,
Your group is incredible. I'm lucky that I remember my name and you fellas remember "Forget Me Not". Emoji
To the best of my knowledge, the first record had to be Wariner's. Perhaps the date given for the Carpendale record is incorrect? I have no memory of his version.
Sorry I can't help you out. However, the man who ran September Music is still around and has a great memory. If he has any information on "Forget Me Not" I will pass it on to you. But you know, Joop, that while we were very active, once a song of ours was recorded we moved on to the next song.
If you come up with a solution to your discussion, please let me know,
Nice to chat with you after so many years, and please say hello to your fellow members.
Paul Evans
Dank je wel, Joop.
Seems like a great guy, that Paul Evans, and a very nice answer!
I don't think German EMI misprinted the year - 1C 066 45 077 was a typical 1978 cat. no. and that year appears on all labels I found. Besides, it is also confirmed by many other, also quite official, sources.
Apart from that, once a song of ours was recorded we moved on to the next seems to confirm the inhouse songwriter situation assumed.
Do we understand that Paul will ask the man who ran September Music and inform us accordingly?
Do we understand that Paul will ask the man who ran September Music and inform us accordingly?
I think that's what he said, Erik. We wil just have to wait.
JoJo greets
Paul is a great guy,
His answer came faster than the speed of light.
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Joop, I checked with Stanley Mills (September Music) and he said that it's virtually impossible that anyone could have beaten out the Steve Wariner record. Stan has a great memory and he specifically remembers showing my demo to Chet Atkins. He also remembers going to Germany and showing the Wariner record to Ralph (?) Siegel. Stan said that "Forget Me Not" was originally the "B" side of the record and that someone might have turned the record over, liked "Forget Me not" and recorded it. But beating out Wariner? Stan says "No Way". It is a mystery
That's the best I can do for you and your friends, Joop. I will add that Stan and I can't figure out why the Carpendale record should list the publisher as the American firm, September, only.
The Web information is a mystery,
Paul
The "Die längste Nacht" case remains mysterious, indeed...
The ...dann geh doch LP's lead single was released no later than Sept. 11, 1978 (the Swiss charts page even says August) and it entered the German charts on Sept. 25th. See a. o. wikipedia discography and the official German charts page. Accordingly, the LP would have been released some weeks later.
Even if that LP, in spite of all labels, sleeves and each page listing it saying 1978, had been released in early 1979, it would still 'beat' Wariner's July 1979.
I, too, was a astonished that the PRO registrations for "Die längste Nacht" only credit the original September Music publishing. This also in the light of Fred Jay having been a professional lyricist, who would be expected to register his shares via a Germany based publishing company.
If Ralph Siegel, also a very professional man, didn't go for "Forget Me Not", he likely either didn't see enough potential or already knew about Carpendale's version - or the song wasn't trivial enough for him 
PS: I reckon Stan is Stanley Mills...
It seems we have reliable sources backing up "Die längste Nacht" having been released upfront of "Forget Me Not" (however that came about), so how should we procede?
Till now he was very helpful.
JoJo greets
Indeed, and very friendly, too.
For whatever reason, it just struck my mind that the "Die längste Nacht" by Howard Carpendale case was never really solved - and I remembered that it AFAIK still doesn't seem to have been disclosed how Manfred Mann became aware of Mighty Quinn...
