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mduval32323

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mduval32323 @ 2020-09-29 20:56:09 UTC

I would greatly appreciate another set of eyes on this dilemma. I wanted to add a song by a early NY black actress/singer named Edna Thomas called "I Got Shoes". Fresno State had said it was recorded on Columbia in 1928 and released 1929. It's on DAHR as well. Recorded June 14, 1928 on Columbia 1863 D. I even found a nice bio page of her that has her full discography and it's mentioned there as well. So I looked to see what 45Worlds had and here's the rub. They only have UK Columbia releases by Edna Thomas (and I'm pretty certain it's the same person). Well she's American so I would obviously defer to the US releases. But this is the problem. 45Worlds has her releasing "I Got Shoes" on a UK Columbia single 3345 in 1924. In fact it has several UK singles released in 1924 by Edna Thomas. So I'm at wits' end here. I get that DAHR only captures American recordings but I saw nothing in her bio that indicated she lived in Europe and recorded there and I'm shocked Fresno State would be so off (they also have another song she recorded called "Nobody Knows de Trouble I Sees" with the same issues 1924 vs 1929 that also needs to be added to SHS). Any help here would be great so I can add the earlier or later releases. I just can't imagine 45Worlds would be off 5 years on Columbia UK release dates either. Edna did have a 1924 release on Columbia US that was recorded in July so I guess it's conceivable she recorded a bunch of sides not released in US but were in UK??? but then surely DAHR would have had the recording session for "I Got Shoes" if it had her 1928 recording.

https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/objects/detail/195909/Columbia_1863-D

https://www.45worlds.com/78rpm/artist/edna-thomas

https://www.discogs.com/artist/4114168-Edna-Thomas

https://www.queermusicheritage.com/oct2010t.html


Any thoughts/recommendations here would be fantastic.

Thx Mark

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Mark

mduval32323

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mduval32323 @ 2020-09-29 21:38:26 UTC

I created her Artist page and added her 1 1924 US release. 78Discography had this release with blank recording dates so I guess it's possible she recording a bunch more songs in 1924 that were only released on the UK Columbia but I dunno.

Edna Thomas

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Mark

jojo

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jojo @ 2020-09-30 17:16:13 UTC

Mark,


Are you sure "our" Edna Thomas was an African American artist ?


Because there seem to be two virtually contemporaneous Edna Thomases, and their careers have been confused and conflated by many eminent authorities.


https://theatreheritage.org.au/on-stage-magazine/general-articles/item/641-the-t…


She was in the UK in 1923 and 1924, and in that year she also recorded a set of Negro Spirituals in London. Accompanied by Walter Golde on piano.


SEE Page 110 on the NEXT LINK:


https://sounds.bl.uk/related-content/TEXTS/029I-COLXX1925XXX-0000A0.pdf


Jojo greets

dany

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dany @ 2020-09-30 18:17:57 UTC

I think at the time, there was no difference between Columbia [USA] and Columbia [UK], it didn't make sense, since there was only one Columbia label, that could release records on both sides of the Atlantic.

I don't know if this can help you.

mduval32323

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mduval32323 @ 2020-10-02 02:52:50 UTC

Wow. Thanks for finding this. Everything I found previously was clearly in error as the NY Harlem actress wasn't also the singer who recorded for Columbia. This is fantastic. And clearly she did record in the early 1920s and then again in the late 1920s. Very odd that Fresno State was so off. I will revise her Artist page and sources. I will add the early 1920s UK releases on 45Worlds.

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Mark