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Rock Howard

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Rock Howard @ 2020-10-03 01:12:55 UTC

I have been adding web covers for my close friend Luna Lee. There were already two up for her but one has the name 'Luna Gayageum' instead of Luna Lee even though the video is from her same YouTube channel.


Ok that is the easy part. Luna also produced a CD about 5 years ago that has covers that are listed on this site. For that CD Luna is listed as 'Luna [KR]'. While Luna was raised in South Korea she has been living and working primarily in the USA for several years (I am her Work VISA sponsor.) A year ago she got married and now lives with her husband near Dallas TX. Is it possible to change her name on the CD to 'Luna Lee' as well so that all of her covers and web covers show up in one place when you search for Luna Lee?


One final little twist is that Luna spent most of her career as strictly an instrumental artist. More recently however she started to sing on some recordings. She even one situation where she covers a song twice: once with and once without vocals. It would be nice if the web covers could be marked as 'instrumental' and that search worked for web covers too.


Many thanks for the excellent site. I am a programmer by day and have written Python scripts that grab data using the YouTube API. Feel free to let me know if there is anything I can do to help out on the coding side.

Tar Heel

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Posts: 5771

Tar Heel @ 2020-10-03 01:41:18 UTC

RH... First, welcome again to the site. Since many editors don't pay much attention to the forums (much less respond), I as a CC2 (i.e. long time, experienced contributor to the site) I do try to answer some questions. Subject to any corrections by an editor, I will try to address your questions and concerns:


1) Web covers are the "wild west" of SHS. While I'm sure that the editors will want all performances by the same artist on the same page, getting any web covers visualizing in any specific way will likely not be a priority,


2) Artists are credited as the releases/performances were styled on the original release even if other releases are styled differently, including re-issues. We don't retroactively change.


3) SHS uses aliases to keep everything under the same artist. For instance "Rock" would be an alias for "Rock Howard" if you have released under both names.


4) If an artist officially releases a cover on "traditional media" (e.g. digital album/single, CD, vinyl), that would override any web cover whether it's the same or different recording. The web cover will be removed and the official recording added.


5) Both a vocal and instrumental cover can be added by the same artist, whether web or traditional. There are often submission issues, however, as the system sometimes triggers a duplicate barrier. This has been brought to the attention of Management, but we currently must use workarounds.


6) The "home country" of an artist can be a judgment call in cases of moves. I don't know if there is a guideline, but I can image that the editors may prefer [KR] over [USx] if there is another US artist with the same name, as [KR] is a more useful differentiator.

Rock Howard

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Posts: 6

Rock Howard @ 2020-10-03 06:03:20 UTC

Thanks VV. Very useful. Pretty much answered all my questions.


I checked again and now it looks like 'Luna Lee' has been aliased with 'Luna [KR]' which in theory should solve my main concern. Unfortunately it made things worse. Now a search for 'Luna Lee' will find her CD but leaves no way to get to Luna's web covers via an artist search. The only way to find those web covers is to search for a specific song that she happened to cover and look at the web covers for that song. That is it.


Luna is famous for her hundreds of YouTube video covers which have garnered over 35M views. Meanwhile no one really cares about her CD which was recorded many years ago as her record label couldn't figure out how to promote her music. Therefore this site as it is currently configured totally misrepresents the career of one of the most important cover artists on YouTube. It also means it is not worth my time to add any more of her web covers to this site until this problem is fixed.


(Parenthetically note that I still see no way to mark a web cover as an instrumental.)


My current plan is to make my own website to feature Luna's music, but I will watch this space in case improvements should occur someday. Thanks!

Tar Heel

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Posts: 5771

Tar Heel @ 2020-10-03 06:21:51 UTC

Hmm, my search results are the same. Searching "Luna Lee" or "Luna" yields Luna [KR] (the later search one of a number of options). Searching for "Luna [KR]" returns nothing. Tagging Mathieu to look into that search bug.


I never submit web covers (though thinking about the "Live from Darryl's House" vids), as I only use them for leads to officially released covers of personal interest; therefore, I'm not really the one to ask or answer. I would assume that the submitter has the option to attach the web cover to an artist and work on site. Sounds like a coding error causing the web covers to not attach to the correct artist.


I would suggest picking one, filing an error report, and see what is determined. Hopefully it can be a bulk correction. Best to fix now rather than piling on more miss-coded web covers.


Instrumental vs. vocal is a flag function. I don't know if the flag on/off is available for web covers.

Oldiesmann

Managing Editor
Posts: 2733

Oldiesmann @ 2020-10-07 04:31:52 UTC

I've updated the web covers so they all show up under the same artist as the performances from the CD. However, the artist name for the CD performances will stay as "Luna [KR]" because of our guidelines (the CD was released under the artist name "Luna" and the "[KR]" is to distinguish her from other artists also named Luna).

Bastien

Manager
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Bastien @ 2020-11-03 08:25:43 UTC

The album Luna was released as "Luna". That's a fact and there's nothing we can change about that.

However, we could consider renaming Luna [KR] to Luna Lee. The album would still be attributed to "Luna", but Luna would become an artist alias of the main/common name Luna Lee.

However, if her common name should indeed be Luna Lee, why are her Facebook and Twitter accounts just "Luna"?

https://www.facebook.com/lunaxmusic

https://twitter.com/Lunaxmusic

Rock Howard

Member
Posts: 6

Rock Howard @ 2020-11-03 14:31:20 UTC

The lunaxmusic stuff was set up by her old record company.


She also has "lunagayageum" on facebook where she presents herself as Luna Lee.

And she also has @LunaLee422 on Twitter.

David King

Editor
Posts: 1484

David King @ 2021-01-05 03:47:29 UTC

6) The "home country" of an artist can be a judgment call in cases of moves. I don't know if there is a guideline, but I can image that the editors may prefer [KR] over [USx] if there is another US artist with the same name, as [KR] is a more useful differentiator.

We use the country an artist is mostly associated with as the "home country", along with a comment sometimes, if the artist currently resides elsewhere.

Tar Heel

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Posts: 5771

Tar Heel @ 2021-01-05 03:54:05 UTC

6) The "home country" of an artist can be a judgment call in cases of moves. I don't know if there is a guideline, but I can image that the editors may prefer [KR] over [USx] if there is another US artist with the same name, as [KR] is a more useful differentiator.

We use the country an artist is mostly associated with as the "home country", along with a comment sometimes, if the artist currently resides elsewhere.


"Most associated" can be a judgment call, The point I was making is that when faced with a clear "Rock Band" from the US and and a "Rock Band" that could be considered from either the US or CA, it would make sense to err on the side of [US} and [CA] rather than [US1] and [US2].

David King

Editor
Posts: 1484

David King @ 2021-01-05 03:56:31 UTC

6) The "home country" of an artist can be a judgment call in cases of moves. I don't know if there is a guideline, but I can image that the editors may prefer [KR] over [USx] if there is another US artist with the same name, as [KR] is a more useful differentiator.

We use the country an artist is mostly associated with as the "home country", along with a comment sometimes, if the artist currently resides elsewhere.


"Most associated" can be a judgment call, The point I was making is that when faced with a clear "Rock Band" from the US and and a "Rock Band" that could be considered from either the US or CA, it would make sense to err on the side of [US} and [CA] rather than [US1] and [US2].

Agreed.