Ska Du Nånsin Komma Hem by Nils Börge Gårdh

Reviewing Tänk att få vakna and perhaps someone can recognize tracks A1 & A2, as they appear to be adaptions based on the credits:

https://www.discogs.com/Nils-B%C3%B6rge-G%C3%A5rdh-T%C3%A4nk-Att-F%C3%A5-Vakna/r…

This brings me to track A3, Ska Du Nånsin Komma Hem. Based on the credits, it's a work by Mickey Newbury but when sampling the autogen I hear Before the Next Teardrop Falls. Since there may be a similar Newbury work, I passed so far. Anyone have any thoughts?

Tagging camembert electrique who just recently added this release, as he may still be working on it.

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Ska du nånsin komma hem · Nils Börge Gårdh

Tänk att få vakna

℗ 1981 Mariann Grammofon AB

Lyricist: Alf Andersson

Composer: Lennart Sjöholm

Composer: Mickey Newbury

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Reviewing Tänk att få vakna and perhaps someone can recognize tracks A1 & A2, as they appear to be adaptions based on the credits:

https://www.discogs.com/Nils-B%C3%B6rge-G%C3%A5rdh-T%C3%A4nk-Att-F%C3%A5-Vakna/r…

A1: So in Love with You

A2: We Should Be Together

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This brings me to track A3, Ska Du Nånsin Komma Hem. Based on the credits, it's a work by Mickey Newbury but when sampling the autogen I hear Before the Next Teardrop Falls. Since there may be a similar Newbury work, I passed so far. Anyone have any thoughts?

A3: I Wonder if I Ever Said Goodbye

JoJo greets

Thx JoJo. None of personal interest. I do have A4 under review....

Thanks, VV, for tagging and Jojo for his helping hand. I had indeed intended to, after identifying all or most missing tracks, add them in one go. A1, A4 and B3 were obvious, but the others need(ed) research).

Interestingly, only few minutes after VV's post, Scousedave started to one by one issue submissions for the tracks mentioned, here.

Things like those probably happen if one takes the freedom not to be around for 36 hours...

I have added Scousedave's five submissions plus two more adopted works and tracks and will (not right now...) see what I can do about (Alf Andersson: lyrics on all)

"Han är musiken" - transl.: He is the Music; orig. credited to Larry Gatlin

"Min morgondag" - transl.: My Tomorrow, orig, credited to Jesse Winchester and

"Bortom bergen" - transl.: Behind the Hills; traditional (maybe even a Swedish one)

Suggestions or submissions welcome...

Hmmm, stolen thunder?

That's a big coincidence. Wonder why Scousedave didn't comment that he would identify and submit the applicable performances? Or even after the fact. Odd....

Stolen thunder ??

I had no idea that anyone else was looking at this album. I found it because I was reviewing songwriter credits for Johnny Slate in Discogs and discovered the other covers.

I cannot identify the originals of Larry Gatlin or Jesse Winchester.

Definitely odd though

Maybe rolling thunder...?

To be more precise: Scousedave only submitted three out of the four tracks named here, A2 to A4 (though not A1) - plus A5 and B4.

I've looked into the timing: His 1st submission, actually the not mentioned A5, was posted less than 3 minutes after VV's initial post (and the last one still nearly 2 hours upfront of Jojo's answer). This leads to the conclusion that his research must have started before VV's post.

That in mind, I'm pretty sure we are facing a quite amazing (and amusing) coincidence.

Yeah, I meant to come back and expand on the "stolen thunder" earlier....

I suppose it's based on the official and unofficial courtesies that editors and heavy contributors offer each other. It's my understanding if an editor is working on an artist, release, etc., other editors leave those entries alone for some amount of time. Similarly, if I know an editor, etc. is or may be working on a matter, I don't submit more due to the risk of (e.g.) duplicates, often waiting for days.

With this in mind, I tagged CE in my original post. While I found the release independently of SHS, he was clearly and recently doing stuff with it which merited some space with no other activity. In this case, I just made research requests; I intended no near future submissions.

Coincidences do indeed arise, but I trust the timing did justify making an observation or two.

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Yeah, I meant to come back and expand on the "stolen thunder" earlier....

I suppose it's based on the official and unofficial courtesies that editors and heavy contributors offer each other. It's my understanding if an editor is working on an artist, release, etc., other editors leave those entries alone for some amount of time.

Finally, VirileVagabond , you explain your usual "complaint" about stolen thunder. I had stopped trying to understand it.

I never heard of the official and unofficial courtesies that editors and heavy contributors offer each other

Or the understanding if an editor is working on an artist, release, etc., other editors leave those entries alone for some amount of time.

Nobody owns artists or releases, I certainly don't and if somebody continues my wonderful work, that make me very happy. Dave ( Scousedave ) is an exciting contributor, I certainly never had complaints, on the contrary. And Erik ( camembert electrique ) and myself have made a nice habit of stealing each others thunder again and again.

So, please, VirileVagabond (what is your real name, anyway?) stop using this annoying expression, will you.

Kind regards from The Netherlands, where we just had the elections and the sun is shining.

Thom

"Stolen thunder" also means taking credit for someone else's work (or find in an SHS context). While I generally don't, some people place some weight on credit for finds. This is why I may make an inquiry about some release or performance, but add that the person so asked can "steal my thunder" by just adding themselves.

I may also find a release/performance not on site, research for my notes, but later find it having been added on site during the interim. I may comically make a "stolen thunder" comment as a result.

Stolen thunder, the taking of someone else's glory whether illegitimately, legitimately or by chance.

As for the courtesies, I know these are real since I've both seen them in action and had them explained to me. Why you CarlDennis are not familiar I can't say. I've also seen where ignoring these courtesies has called problems that can be difficult to remedy, so these make sense.

As stated before, everyone is free to call me Tar Heel as well. (I prefer not to use real names unless it is part of one's handle.)

I see no reason to cease using a common English/American expression that isn't or intended to be offensive.

I trust this all helps....

2 or 3 times I happened to not spot that other editors hadn't completed entries and (more often) others went for ones I was still working on. In the first cases, I was told that there is something like a non-outspoken courtesy not to interfere too quickly and the vice versa ones (due to the way done) made me agree. One may call that matter of respect.

But I'm happy if others 'fill holes' I for whatever reasons may have left open and I occasionally also give others hints if it seems they are stuck or whatever. One may call that support.

I confirm that Thom and myself in good spirits practice 'giving thunder' by time and again completing each others' entries etc., which has turned out very fruitful. One can call that mutual support and respect.

Last edit: 2021-03-21 01:21:12 UTC by camembert electrique

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2 or 3 times I happened to not spot that other editors hadn't completed entries and (more often) others have gone for ones I was still working on. Both ways, I understood that there is something like a non-outspoken courtesy not to interfere too quickly. One may call that a matter of respect.

But I'm happy if others 'fill holes' I for whatever reasons may have left open and occasionally also give others hints if it seems they are stuck. One may call that support.

I confirm that Thom and myself in good spirits practice 'giving thunder' by time and again completing each others' entries etc., which has turned out very fruitful. One can call that mutual support and respect.

The only way I can make sense of this is to interpret as an agreement with what I have stated earlier. One should show "respect" and leave active matters alone for a period of time (say three days). After those three days, filling in holes is support,

I didn't think this would be controversial nor complicated.

If having spent quite some time on investigations, open to scrutiny via ext. links added accordingly etc., but for whatever reason not completing right then, I sometimes add remarks like 'to be finalized very soon'to the Editor notes. So far, that was only disregarded by one editor, but didn't (couldn't?) prevent CCs from posting submissions for tracks already in the pipeline.

There are (too?) multifaceted aspects and 'subliminality layers' involved in the overall matter, though, so I'm not sure attempts to issue according general rules of compliance to the Code of Conduct would turn out successful.

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There are (too?) multifaceted aspects and 'subliminality layers' involved in the overall matter, though, so I'm not sure attempts to issue according general rules of compliance to the Code of Conduct would turn out successful.

I agree, hence my use of the term courtesies, i.e. something that should be done and is often expected, but not something that is required.

There's also the difference between known, should have known, and not expected to know. These are all contingent on evidence and circumstances. I knew you were working the specific release discussed because we independently found the same performance. I also tend to look at when a release was added. Today, yesterday, last week, last month, last year? If I see editor notes like you have described but the release was added some time ago, I see submitting any missing performances as support. If the release was added yesterday, I make a mental note to return or perhaps send a PM.

Should all CCs pay attention to when a release was added before submitting (i.e. should know), I don't know.

I do know that if expected courtesies (your "respect") are not offered, people will get upset and tensions rise. I also think that a CC should be expected to know not only basic site rules and guidelines, but also the site culture and expected courtesies. Those expectations come with the title.

I don't think anybody can be expected not to agree to the core of the last paragraph.