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More Rights for CC's: Real Names

Bastien

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Bastien @ 2019-12-26 17:56:27 UTC

We're further opening the database for Certified Contributors: They can now add real names to artists, identified as "person", and without any real name set. Have a look at the list of artists that can be updated this way.

Update: Add a real name only when you have a source explicitly stating the real name of the artist in question. Otherwise leave blank.

Example: "Joan Elizabeth Osborne" is set as real name for Joan Osborne

Enjoy! Smile

Last edit: 2019-12-27 08:46:12 UTC by Bastien


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casb

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casb @ 2019-12-26 18:06:52 UTC

Read!

JeffC

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JeffC @ 2019-12-26 18:07:37 UTC

Read.

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Clee J

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Clee J @ 2019-12-26 18:09:16 UTC

Definitely read!


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Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2019-12-26 18:14:46 UTC

A welcome addition; however, again proper expectations likely need to be established. I will likely never look for artists missing a real name to add one, but rather will add a missing real name while I'm looking at an artist for other reasons....

SlimD

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SlimD @ 2019-12-26 18:27:34 UTC

Read However, I think there is some value in identifying Joan Osborne her real name if we did not know her middle name.

casb

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casb @ 2019-12-26 18:32:04 UTC

A welcome addition; however, again proper expectations likely need to be established. I will likely never look for artists missing a real name to add one, but rather will add a missing real name while I'm looking at an artist for other reasons....


I agree

DashBoardDJ856

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DashBoardDJ856 @ 2019-12-26 18:36:37 UTC

Murray, the way I read it you can add her middle name in the "Real Name" box.

But don't add it in the "Common Name" because more than likely the releases will be under the "Common Name".

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Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2019-12-26 18:45:23 UTC

Read However, I think there is some value in identifying Joan Osborne her real name if we did not know her middle name.


From my perspective, the value is the site returning the correct artist if one searches for Joan Elizabeth Osborne....

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2019-12-26 18:59:05 UTC

Nice work, Mathieu and Bastien

I agree that there's no need to duplicate an artist's real name if it is identical to their common name.

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2019-12-26 19:41:14 UTC

I agree that there's no need to duplicate an artist's real name if it is identical to their common name.


Just for the record, my initial thought is to disagree. Primary/Common Name, Real Name, and Alias are related but different things. Perhaps rare, each of these can be changed.


My gut tells me to populate the real name field even if currently the same as the primary/common, but have that field auto hide/show depending on whether its the same or not.

JohanV

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JohanV @ 2019-12-26 22:04:42 UTC

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camembert electrique

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camembert electrique @ 2019-12-27 03:26:55 UTC

We're further opening the database for Certified Contributors: They can now add real names to artists, identified as "person", and without any real name set. ...

Without commenting on specific cases in the meantime mentioned in this thread, but mainly on the "More Rights for CC(')s" topic headline: I'm surely and always appreciating each and any profound and useful additional input proven by evidence, backed by applicable links etc.

However, some established editors (oh, another new term! Grin) incl. myself are starting to wonder if soon their only 'privilege' will be the time consuming research and adding of artists, releases, works, adaptations, versions et al, whilst otherwise privileged users may find themselves in a comfortable position to simply double check and add details.

Although changes to 'my' entries by CCs may be included in daily reports (hopefully - some posts reveal this is not always the case, yet) and enable to 'triple'-check (like editors' changes):

I'd prefer to for evaluation be notified about possibly missing data - rather than having to review changes not done by (here it comes again Smile) established editors (whose changes I mostly review).

For this, we may consider to introduce an internal (sub)thread (of f.ex., https://secondhandsongs.com/board/10) dealing with addtional info, questions re: details of entries being questioned/doubted etc. This should be fully avaliable to editors and CCs.

As the vast majority of error reports is being posted by editors and CCs, this would also decrease the number of publically visible possible errors (often not really being such) remarkably, which again would add to our credibility.

PS: Yes, I will try to remember to open a thread to discuss what was said in the last two paragraphs...

Last edit: 2019-12-27 04:06:31 UTC by camembert electrique

Tar Heel

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Tar Heel @ 2019-12-27 03:50:24 UTC

Though I can't fully understand some of CE's concerns due to references to internal editor processes, I can safely assume they are all reasonable. Perhaps we should stop, take a deep breath, and get a consensus on what the goal is for CCs. On the other hand, perhaps this is just a failed experiment.


I won't do so here to avoid broadening the scope of this topic; however, if requested I can start a fresh thread by recapping my original concept, how I thought that would be of value to the site, and how I see what CCs have evolved to as of today. To make that discussion work best, I would prefer that Bastian reply as to what he wants CCs to be and how he thinks that concept adds value.

Mathieu

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Mathieu @ 2019-12-27 07:15:43 UTC

In my opinion, real names identical to the common name should be filled out too. Otherwise you don't know whether the common name is the real name or just a pseudonyme. This is not redundant information.

When you fill our the artist form in the order of the fields, the common name will be automatically constructed from the real name.