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We have a country song on the site called "Those Memories of You" by Alan O'Bryant (who used to be in James Monroe's (Bill's son) band. It was made popular by the Dolly Parton Trio. The orig. performance was done by Bill & James Monroe in 1978 (I added the album video and noted when it starts).
When I was going through a Monroe & Doc Watson album they performed a song called "Memories of You" that Doc said was one of Bill's old tunes in the video. It started off very similarly to the song I knew and had a similar tune.
So I got to looking. Monroe released a 1950 single called "Memories of You" and it was credited to a James B. Smith on the label.
Here's the Doc & Monroe song:
When I created the Work for the 1950 version BMI credited "James M. Smith" and GEMA credited "James Marcus Smith". Lo and behold the IPIs to both matched P.J. Proby's (who is James Marcus Smith). I was dubious and when I saw he was born in 1938 I clearly knew this wasn't his song.
So I have two things I need help on:
1) Songwriting credit on "Memories of You". I can't leave it linked to Proby despite what the PROs have because he was 11 or 12 years old at the oldest when this song was penned. I can just make up an artist called "James B. Smith" (to match Bill's 45 label credit) and put it there with no info. or I can just credit it to Monroe. I couldn't locate any catalog of copyright entries pages but hopefully one of you can. The only two covers I've added so far didn't list credits. Unfortunately the 1950 "Memories of You" song isn't well known I'm finding out.
Wiki does have an artist page for a James B. Smith
https://www.discogs.com/artist/2876455-James-B-Smith
https://www.discogs.com/Reno-Smiley-A-Day-In-The-Country/release/4716778
You will see some country songs of Monroe's on there. Memories of You and I'm Blue, I'm Lonesome. On the Reno & Smiley album it credits I'm Blue, I'm Lonesome to James B. Smith but we credit Monroe so I'm thinking maybe that could just be an alias (esp. when Doc Watson said in the video that it was an old tune of Bill's). But that James B. Smith page also has some soul credits that prob are for another James B. Smith. I'm inclined to just credit Monroe but I would like some veterans' more informed opinions.
2) The similarity between "Memories of You" and "Those Memories of You". I was very confused when I first thought I was adding a cover to the original we had. Listen to the Pat Enright version (the 3rd song listed on the "Memories of You" page and compare it to any video on the "Those Memories of You" page. Both songs start off the same except for the word "sweetheart". I added the lyrics to "Memories of You" on my Work and Commented on the similarities to "Those Memories of You" and hyperlinked it to the other Work (and we probably should now reference the new Work on the other page so we make it easier on those to follow). I'm not sure if "Those Memories of You" qualifies as an adaptation of "Memories of You". It may just be a deal where it clearly needs to be documented, but I thought I'd ask for a more experienced person's opinion.
Thanks for your time.
Mark
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Mark