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I understand what you're saying, but even if AT are price codes... Ariola kan make these part a cat number if they want to? The AT suffixes are a displayed as being integrally part of the the cat numbers, that's for sure.

Just because WE (and maybe others) display the price codes as part of cat. numbers doesn't mean it is right... . Here some more explanations/comments:

In cases when Ariola - and other labels under the Bertelsmann roof in Germany, also licensed ones like Island - decided to change LPs to mid-price, the cat. nos remained the same but the price code suffixes were altered.

When taking orders from record shops, Ariola salesmen those days (we're talking 30, 40 ago. here...) always only filled in the numbers in the order sheets, never the price codes.

On Ariola releases not only pressed for Germany no price codes were printed on the sleeves, either, just the cat. numbers.

A WEA comparison: Stinker has the cat. no. WB 56 906 and the price code Y (= high price LP). If we were to keep the German Ariola price codes as parts of the cat. nos., we consequently would have to go for WEA Germany's Y, Z, O, F etc., too - and even make this a rule on a worldwide scale...

I hope this helps.

PS; The last three digits in the cat. numbers of Der Chef , Traumzeit , Treibjagd and many more are all price codes, too. Mainly this is visible by a stroke between the actual cat. no. and the code on the sleeve print or sticker.

Erik

Do you know if Ariola America is a sub-label of this Ariola or one of the others?

Thanks!

Sebastian

(Accidently clickied on 'assign to me'. Surely not intended! Seems to be no way to reverse...)

Sebastian,

I would rather call Ariola America a local US branch with a same named own label and sublabels than a sublabel of Ariola. We are talking pre BMG times (when Ariola was still both a company and a label), here.

Hope this helps.

E.

Erik

Okay - how should we show this through the label relations function then?

Are you planning to close the original Ariola error report?

Sebastian

How to show issues like this through the label relations function is an as yet unanswered question - and any suggestion could be contradicted.

Although I'm quite sure the matter came up in the according thread at the editors' forum, it was unfortunatey not resolved before implementing the label relations function.

Probably the main problem is that we have no real possibility to enter companies and thus not to distinguish companies from their same named labels. The bigger, more diverse and internationally active the company (also: as a label), the more complicated to sort out and mirror, though.

PS: As the original matter (excluding price codes from catalog numbers) is still pending, there is no reason to close this thread, yet.

Last updated by camembert electrique on 2017-08-21 16:17:11 UTC - Show original message

Afternoon Erik

Are you planning to resolve the basis of the original error report with Bastien?

Sebastian

Actually, it seems we are waiting for Bastien to take his time to thoroughly consider the facts given and comment.

Anything happening at Headquarters?

You could reassign to Bastien if you think the action is for him?

Let's give it a try and see what happens...

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Price tags, sure, but if that's how Ariola chooses to make its cat numbers...

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem this rejection was based on thoroughly considering the facts given,. Also. attaching a sleeve print of a randomly chosen German release is not at all a reason for rejecting.

As said before, those price code parts don't work for releases (also originally) issued on Ariola outside Germany - but being part of the label's numbering system (what we call 'label series).

If considering price codes parts of cat. nos., the (il)logical consequence would be to introduce pro forma 'label series' based on price codes - actually a very unprofessional (dis)solution...

At the time relevant to the matter, and before moving on to label management etc., I worked in record sales, so I have to say that I know what I'm talking about...

those price code parts don't work for releases (also originally) issued on Ariola outside Germany

I fail to see why that would be an issue.

If considering price codes parts of cat. nos., the (il)logical consequence would be to introduce pro forma 'label series' based on price codes

No, that's not necessarily a consequence.

I know what I'm talking about

... and I'm not questioning your knowledge at all! If you say they are price tags, I believe you.

Feel free to come up with a concrete example of how our current method creates an issue in the database.