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Rondo alla turca / Turkish March

Oldiesmann

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Oldiesmann @ 2017-12-30 03:16:14 UTC

"Rondo alla turca", officially the 3rd movement of Mozart's Piano Sonata No. 11, is a popular piece and has been covered hundreds of times, but I have no idea where to look as far as who recorded it first. Should I just submit some covers of it, or is there a good place to go regarding researching recordings of classical music? I did manage to find one recording from 1906 though...


jojo

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jojo @ 2017-12-30 10:20:04 UTC

That's a good one, Michael.

Never realised it wasn't on the DB yet.

You know you can submit it here ?


https://secondhandsongs.com/submit-cover


BTW: In The Netherlands it was covered by Ekseption





An I think I found an even older version of the 19th century.


http://www.phonobase.org/advanced_search.php?GETTitre=&GETCompaut=mozart&GETInte…


Listen here: http://www.phonobase.org/audio/AA-CD01aCD99/CD49_02.mp3


This anonymous version must have been recorded somewhere between 1896 and 1900 on a Lioret No 3 cylinder.


http://www.archeophone.org/cylindres_textes/


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artsinspired

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artsinspired @ 2017-12-30 15:21:19 UTC

If there's information on the first performance of the Mozart work, then the work could be entered with that.

jojo

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jojo @ 2017-12-30 16:59:42 UTC

It is uncertain where and when Mozart composed the sonata; however, Vienna or Salzburg around 1783 is currently thought to be most likely (Paris and dates as far back as 1778 have also been suggested). The sonata was published by Artaria in 1784.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_Sonata_No._11_(Mozart)


It is the 3rd Movement from KV 331:


http://dardel.info/musique/KoechelVerz.html


Hard to find out who performed the piece back in 1784.


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Oldiesmann

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Oldiesmann @ 2018-01-04 05:51:39 UTC

Looks like I can just submit it without an original, as there are several songs in the database that simply say "The originals are not known to SecondHandSongs editors" - most notably Strauss' "Blue Danube" (An der schönen blauen Donau).

Oldiesmann

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Oldiesmann @ 2018-04-06 04:02:58 UTC

Just remembered this topic. Should I create the work just for the third movement or should I add the entire sonata? I'm sure there are plenty of covers of the whole thing (as is typical of classical music), but the third movement is far more popular.

sebcat

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sebcat @ 2018-04-06 07:53:01 UTC

Michael

The issue was nicely set out by JoAnn, but hasn’t generated much interest yet from other editors. Like JoAnn I’d go for the individual movement rather than the whole sonata.

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artsinspired

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artsinspired @ 2018-04-07 00:29:51 UTC

I think you're safe creating the work based on the third movement. There seems to be general agreement about setting works to the smallest unit. Though this is yet another example of a discussion where no formal decision was ever made.

Oldiesmann

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Oldiesmann @ 2018-04-07 01:26:41 UTC

Work has been added now. I've added two performances at the moment - one by famous Ukranian-American pianist Vladimir Horowitz and one by Dutch prog rock band Ekseption that jojo posted above Smile


Rondo alla turca


Also, do we credit composers on albums like this one?

walt

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walt @ 2018-04-07 16:23:42 UTC

"W. A. Mozart" as part of the title, not as performer, which is Walter Gieseking.

Oldiesmann

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Oldiesmann @ 2018-04-07 17:12:39 UTC

Thanks. I've added that version as well Smile